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Post by Cryptix on Mar 15, 2017 15:11:48 GMT
...(not in Khador gladly). There's your problem. Khador (along with Ret) is the best balanced faction in the game. No wonder you're content to wait on PP to fix problem models at their own pace - you don't actually have many. Try doing so when your faction has more poor options than acceptable ones. We were told that Mk3 would fix the problems of Mk2 (#allnewwar.) We were told that our models would not be invalidated. We have since been told, over and over again, that the game was finished at release. None of these things are true, or are true only in the most literal sense (after all, you CAN still take Mad Dogs.) In terms of the fans knowing better - in many cases we do. We saw it when GW started pulling it's crap (though at that point, my own BS tolerance was higher,) and the community has consistently been the ones to spot the broken stuff, usually within days of it's being spoiled. PP does not have exclusivity on game design expertise. Watch yourself. Just because certain factions are content doesn't mean that you should insult them. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the intent of your post.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Mar 15, 2017 16:03:25 GMT
There's your problem. Khador (along with Ret) is the best balanced faction in the game. No wonder you're content to wait on PP to fix problem models at their own pace - you don't actually have many. Try doing so when your faction has more poor options than acceptable ones. We were told that Mk3 would fix the problems of Mk2 (#allnewwar.) We were told that our models would not be invalidated. We have since been told, over and over again, that the game was finished at release. None of these things are true, or are true only in the most literal sense (after all, you CAN still take Mad Dogs.) In terms of the fans knowing better - in many cases we do. We saw it when GW started pulling it's crap (though at that point, my own BS tolerance was higher,) and the community has consistently been the ones to spot the broken stuff, usually within days of it's being spoiled. PP does not have exclusivity on game design expertise. Watch yourself. Just because certain factions are content doesn't mean that you should insult them. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the intent of your post. I suspect you are. Unless it's become controversial to suggest that players' opinions as to the external and internal balance of the game can be biased by the faction they play? Take a player who started Ret a couple months ago, and a player who started Cryx a few months ago, and the Ret player is generally going to perceive the game as better balanced and healthier than the Cryx player. The comparative depth and breadth of options are night and day - where balanced factions might look at one or two units, two or three jacks, and a handful of solos/warcasters and say 'that could be better/that's not very good,' the Cryx or Circle player (once they've achieved the game literacy necessary to tell good units from bad) is looking at THEIR units and seeing a handful of decent/good beasts/jacks; 2-3 playable units (with the others ranging from below average to terrible') and a couple of decent solos. All I'm suggesting is that maybe a player who plays what is, by all accounts, one of the best balanced factions in the game might not have the most balanced perspective on game balance, particularly if they're new enough not to have in-depth experience with the other factions.
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Post by whiskeydave on Mar 15, 2017 16:20:21 GMT
If people were capable of recognizing the difference between feedback of problems and outright insulting complaints, I suspect that the original forums might still exist.
But hyperbole and anger are the currency of "entitled" customers of game companies, so shocker... They decided to shut down their pulpits and let people vent elsewhere.
And thus, a new forum here, but same old schtick from the same old folks. To paraphrase a term used for certain models, I am quickly finding the general discussions here to be "unreadable trash".
If the faction forums follow suit, then Facebook is what I will have.
And for folks saying stuff like "malifaux here I come!" PLEASE, YES! GO AWAY!!!! Addition by subtraction!!!!
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Post by smoothcriminal on Mar 15, 2017 16:58:50 GMT
I can't believe THAT was the reason to delete forums. People will just vent somewhere else and not make community better anyway, case in point this thread.
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Post by Nyxu on Mar 15, 2017 17:18:31 GMT
Be the change you want to see in the community.
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Post by Sirbrokensword on Mar 15, 2017 17:53:52 GMT
If people were capable of recognizing the difference between feedback of problems and outright insulting complaints, I suspect that the original forums might still exist. But hyperbole and anger are the currency of "entitled" customers of game companies, so shocker... They decided to shut down their pulpits and let people vent elsewhere. And thus, a new forum here, but same old schtick from the same old folks. To paraphrase a term used for certain models, I am quickly finding the general discussions here to be "unreadable trash". If the faction forums follow suit, then Facebook is what I will have. And for folks saying stuff like "malifaux here I come!" PLEASE, YES! GO AWAY!!!! Addition by subtraction!!!!Don't worry, I am leaving. However I've decided to take as many PP customers with me as I can. I don't like censorship, so I'm doing my best to turn new players away from the game, and move the existing players to a better company. It might anger you, but I don't care. PP created this anger and they will deal with the consequences.
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Post by whiskeydave on Mar 15, 2017 18:18:17 GMT
censorship... it gets old to see people misusing that word. you are not being censored when the owners of platform choose to not have you heard in their platform anymore. Go elsewhere. You did, it seems. To turn around and cry some more and now intend to quit because of words... At the end of the day, you either like the game or you do not. And the same for these people that you are "taking with you". If you like Malifaux more, then WTF are you doing here in the first place? If your friends would rather play that game, then why do you have to "bring them with you"? Aren't they already there? Or, do you think you are going to change people's minds about what they like because you do not like what forums you are allowed to complain on and which ones you are not? The CID forums, at the moment, are the BEST forums for conversations I have seen. It is people interested in discussing how to improve the game without tears and hyperbole. I do not think you would care for them. In any event... Bye. EDIT: And BTW, I was a Henchman for Wyrd for years and my name is still listed in the 2.0 rulebook as an alpha tester... I got to be reasonably familiar with Wyrd inner workings from former employees so good luck with your new "nirvana"! (There are reasons I left that game and company)
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Post by thelat on Mar 15, 2017 18:25:05 GMT
There was a guy who didn'the play Legion and owned no Legion models, but came into the Legion forums to complain about how bad Legion models were.
Then you had the people who would just make stuff up to complain about, and even if you demonstrated that they were wrong, they would keep up that steady chant of negativity.
I think that was the sort that made taking away the faction forums seem like a good idea.
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Post by whiskeydave on Mar 15, 2017 18:28:27 GMT
And on the flip side, the convergence forum was awesome... (And I generally liked the Ret and Circle ones too) But I hold out hope that once the saltiest of the problem children have either chilled out or moved along that aplace like this can stabilize. (fingers crossed)
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Post by Permutation Servitor on Mar 15, 2017 19:16:27 GMT
And on the flip side, the convergence forum was awesome... I agree. That's what I miss most about the closing of the faction sections.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 15, 2017 19:26:42 GMT
The Khador forum was great and may it RIP.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 15, 2017 19:40:56 GMT
The Khador forum was great and may it RIP. It was so disheartening when someone tried to make a new "creepy card player" thread, and it go locked like a minute later.
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Post by khador247 on Mar 15, 2017 20:18:33 GMT
The Khador forum was great and may it RIP. I agree. When I heard it was going away I was very sad. I did a powerful lot of posting there in the last 12+ years. Fortunately this forum sprang up and a lot of the old posters migrated over here. I keep seeing familiar names popping up. I think that a lot of people had negative feelings about their faction forums, and while there were probably some Khador players that felt that way too, I think that most enjoyed the Khador forum. A lot of good discussion took place there.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 16, 2017 9:25:16 GMT
The Cryx forum wasn't too bad lately either, most of the salt was gone.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 16, 2017 10:05:37 GMT
Watch yourself. Just because certain factions are content doesn't mean that you should insult them. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the intent of your post. I suspect you are. Unless it's become controversial to suggest that players' opinions as to the external and internal balance of the game can be biased by the faction they play? Take a player who started Ret a couple months ago, and a player who started Cryx a few months ago, and the Ret player is generally going to perceive the game as better balanced and healthier than the Cryx player. The comparative depth and breadth of options are night and day - where balanced factions might look at one or two units, two or three jacks, and a handful of solos/warcasters and say 'that could be better/that's not very good,' the Cryx or Circle player (once they've achieved the game literacy necessary to tell good units from bad) is looking at THEIR units and seeing a handful of decent/good beasts/jacks; 2-3 playable units (with the others ranging from below average to terrible') and a couple of decent solos. All I'm suggesting is that maybe a player who plays what is, by all accounts, one of the best balanced factions in the game might not have the most balanced perspective on game balance, particularly if they're new enough not to have in-depth experience with the other factions. Don't worry. I am aware that I might be biased by Khador, and even more so by beeing a fairly new player that is still exited about everything. Just maybe acknowledge that you might be biased to, because you are used to something you liked and now its changed, just saying. I can't commend on Ret personally, but from what I heard they aren't in a perfect spot either. I know Khador is in a pretty good one, so I wasn't upset about the nerfs to Khador even though I would love to play Old Witch1 (still feels weird with the 1). But to counter that point of Bias. I am also owning a Skorne Army, which I played before the Errata and currently I am pretty excited about starting Cryx. Yes I may have hobby ADD, but there are sooo many shiny toys!!! As I said before. I can't comment on the switch from MK2 to MK3 because I wasn't around that time, but I heard there were many mistakes made at that point. But I never heard the game is finished. Quite to the contrary. Every time I hear something in that direction from PP, they always stress that the game will never be "finishe" because its constantly evovling. With your last point (fans knowing better) I only can disagree. We may THINK we know better, and with the given information we proably do, but we always lack a lot of information. Yes the community "breaks" and finds combos quicker just because of the size of players testing it, but thats not "knowing better". Thats just finding mistakes. Sometimes the community is wrong too. Look at Ghost Fleet and the outrage that the buff to Revenenat Crew where scrapped and the inital "whine" how bad the Theme force was. Know everyone "knows" how good it is. Maybe Banes didn't get buffed because the Theme Force on the horizon makes them really good again (see Gator posse). If you listens to the podcast they make a very good point to the comparison to GW. Namely that it is comparing apples to oranges, because GW Scrapped everything they had to to with competetive Gaming and started to be a "model Company" while PP is merly shifting things around and organizes it in a diffrent way. smoothcriminal: Somewhat true point. But for PP it means they don't have to police their Forum so carfully and if we vent here, no one expects PP to see it. Makes a huge diffrence. sirbrokensword: Sorry to say this, but you sound a little like a angry child with that attitude. If you love a game and try to convince people to play it with you, there is nothing wrong with that, but activly trying to keep people away from a gaming company because they "angered" you sounds a bit childish. But you do you man. The Khador Forums has the problem that it become somewhat split between here and Reddit. The others didn't have a strong precense in Reddit so they didn't split. I think most people came here directly form the PP Forum.
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