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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 26, 2017 8:08:01 GMT
The Haley 2 change is an utterly enormous buff for Cryx, Cryx are now top faction again, no shadow of a doubt I'm not actually sure it is. Weirdly enough Cryx, especially Ghost Fleet, was preying on the Heley2 dominated Cygnar really hard. If this change means less people playing Haley2 or less people teaching for Cygnar that means more people can tech for Cryx & Cryx is going to see less of one of its better matchups. That doesn't seem like very much of a Cryx buff. Ghost fleet is not the issue, Coven Dark Host is, and Haley 2 was one of the few things that could counter it well
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Post by droopingpuppy on Aug 27, 2017 5:21:42 GMT
By the way, the funny thing is, as cainuslupus said already there is almost no whining about Haley2.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 27, 2017 11:58:06 GMT
36cygnar24guy36 dude ghost fleet is a huge issue, coven dark host sucks too, and so did (and imo still does) Haley 2. Her Feat took a hit in fighting dude Spam but still craps all over BG lists. Coven dark host is a result of CiD failing because all the cryx players said "it's fine!" Just like I expect Haley 3 in Grave diggers to be an issue.
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Post by Deller on Aug 27, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
@32cygnar24guy36 dude ghost fleet is a huge issue, coven dark host sucks too, and so did (and imo still does) Haley 2. Her Feat took a hit in fighting dude Spam but still craps all over BG lists. Coven dark host is a result of CiD failing because all the cryx players said "it's fine!" Just like I expect Haley 3 in Grave diggers to be an issue. I think it's less Cryx player's saying "it's fine" and more of being undertested because it was being tested alongside the Battle Engine changes & random thrall changes that had nothing to do with Dark Host. Nearly all the Dark Host testing I saw on CID was being played with Goreshade2, Asphyxious2, & Skarre1. I don't think I saw a single Coven Dark Host game in CID. I've noticed when random things dilute the CID they end up undertested & don't get the attention they need. It happened to much of the Cryx CID since it was a very disjointed cycle that was focused on 3 different things, & it happened during Trenchers with Long Gunners.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 27, 2017 22:52:22 GMT
@32cygnar24guy36 dude ghost fleet is a huge issue, coven dark host sucks too, and so did (and imo still does) Haley 2. Her Feat took a hit in fighting dude Spam but still craps all over BG lists. Coven dark host is a result of CiD failing because all the cryx players said "it's fine!" Just like I expect Haley 3 in Grave diggers to be an issue. I think it's less Cryx player's saying "it's fine" and more of being undertested because it was being tested alongside the Battle Engine changes & random thrall changes that had nothing to do with Dark Host. Nearly all the Dark Host testing I saw on CID was being played with Goreshade2, Asphyxious2, & Skarre1. I don't think I saw a single Coven Dark Host game in CID. I've noticed when random things dilute the CID they end up undertested & don't get the attention they need. It happened to much of the Cryx CID since it was a very disjointed cycle that was focused on 3 different things, & it happened during Trenchers with Long Gunners. Thats a really good point. I would also like to say I don't think coven dark host is unbeatable, its miserable for sure but It could be worse.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 27, 2017 23:36:47 GMT
By the way, the funny thing is, as cainuslupus said already there is almost no whining about Haley2. That was indeed funny... Everyone was here looking for Cygnar tears, and the only tears we got were from a Protectorate player that wanted Moar Nerfz.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 27, 2017 23:48:47 GMT
By the way, the funny thing is, as cainuslupus said already there is almost no whining about Haley2. That was indeed funny... Everyone was here looking for Cygnar tears, and the only tears we got were from a Protectorate player that wanted Moar Nerfz. I think you're thinking of the thread in the general discussion forum. This one is where people started arguing about kraye. And what it means to be a scout. *whispers* also more nerfs. Nerf them all 2017
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Post by joedj on Aug 28, 2017 0:29:48 GMT
Kraye appears really good. Will encourage opposing intervening-dudes usage, or else those 'from downtown' charges will be enemy BG's undoing. Assault, hooray! Finally, friends stop killing friends! For Haley2, I would have preferred 8 models, reflecting her Focus ability. It's an esthetic thing Triumph is good. Hopefully a sign of changes to come in regards to character warjacks/warbeasts. 3 Snipe warcasters to help my dusty, but now cheaper Long Gunners? Ok, they'll debut soon. And I say debut, because no one at our venue has played them in YEARS.
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Post by cainuslupus on Aug 28, 2017 22:39:30 GMT
@32cygnar24guy36 dude ghost fleet is a huge issue, coven dark host sucks too, and so did (and imo still does) Haley 2. Her Feat took a hit in fighting dude Spam but still craps all over BG lists. Coven dark host is a result of CiD failing because all the cryx players said "it's fine!" Just like I expect Haley 3 in Grave diggers to be an issue. I think it's less Cryx player's saying "it's fine" and more of being undertested because it was being tested alongside the Battle Engine changes & random thrall changes that had nothing to do with Dark Host. Nearly all the Dark Host testing I saw on CID was being played with Goreshade2, Asphyxious2, & Skarre1. I don't think I saw a single Coven Dark Host game in CID. I've noticed when random things dilute the CID they end up undertested & don't get the attention they need. It happened to much of the Cryx CID since it was a very disjointed cycle that was focused on 3 different things, & it happened during Trenchers with Long Gunners. I also remember everyone being interested in BE. Especially Khador players salty tears. In this whole mess Dark Host was mostly overlooked.
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Post by Azuresun on Aug 28, 2017 23:25:35 GMT
By the way, the funny thing is, as cainuslupus said already there is almost no whining about Haley2. That was indeed funny... Everyone was here looking for Cygnar tears, and the only tears we got were from a Protectorate player that wanted Moar Nerfz. Well, it was far from an unreasonable assumption when there were people a while back saying her original Mk2 state was completely fine and wouldn't need any nerfs.
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Post by streetpizza on Aug 30, 2017 16:20:12 GMT
In regards to new Kraye it bears mentioning that Cygnar is now far better at moving a battle group through rough terrain than circle or legion ... let that one sink in for moment.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 30, 2017 16:21:18 GMT
In regards to new Kraye it bears mentioning that Cygnar is now far better at moving a battle group through rough terrain than circle or legion ... let that one sink in for moment. NOT SCOUTY ENOUGH! I think what a Faction wants is kinda in the mind. If a faction thinks it deserves a ton, it will get a ton. If it thinks it only needs a few bits, it will only ask for bits.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 30, 2017 17:11:45 GMT
In regards to new Kraye it bears mentioning that Cygnar is now far better at moving a battle group through rough terrain than circle or legion ... let that one sink in for moment. NOT SCOUTY ENOUGH! . You're right. Obviously needs field marshal stealth on kraye
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Post by chillychinaman on Aug 30, 2017 20:58:26 GMT
In regards to new Kraye it bears mentioning that Cygnar is now far better at moving a battle group through rough terrain than circle or legion ... let that one sink in for moment. I have a headache right now, but don't almost all Legion beasts have native pathfinder? Screw it, just give Cygnar Pathfinder on everything and be done it. jk.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 31, 2017 1:02:57 GMT
Kraye always had a spell that gave Pathfinder to all models in control (warriors included). Now he has it only on warjacks but for free. Again, more powerful than before, less tematic than before IMO.
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