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Post by chgros on Mar 9, 2017 14:11:38 GMT
Well i had a game with a friend ( i surely am bad) but he killed 1 bomber and almost another one versus my grissel 2 list ( was just a test game to see if grissel can play vs cygnar range army). He made 12 shots on the feat turn ( only 2 hunters + sloan + some hvy i don't know the name).
If i had played this madrak3 list vs him, sure maddy can asborb a few shots but i feel than my friend would have just shot me to death ignoring a guarguant to have a los on ragnor.
Just sharing .... but i like the idea of 100+ beast points for 4 free solo and no krielstone.
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Post by Trollock on Mar 9, 2017 14:43:53 GMT
Madrak 3 is probably one of the hardest warlocks to kill at range. You can chose to bring Janissa for an extra +2 DEF if you are worried. Remember that Sloan &co do not ignore concealment from the GK, so Madrak will be DEF 16 against their shooting. Add in janissa if you wish, and that goes to 18. Even with boosted hit rolls, they will start missing a significant amount of shots. Add in Madraks high ARM, and his VERY high ARM vs Armor piercing shots and you have a caster that is more survivable than almost any alternative. Take a Defender. He has a POW 15 gun. That means that if he boosts damage, he will do about 5-6 points of damage to Madrak. If he can hit 4 defender shots (with boosted damage) that will kill Madrak. You are camping 4 though, so he will need to hit you 8 times. And you have 2 Shield Guards, so he needs to hit you 10 times. He will only hit about half the time so he needs to unload at you with roughly 20 defender shots to take you down to a tough roll. And you have 4+ tough and no knockdown since you feated. The assassination is very likely to fail, and then you eat his army alive, because there is no way he could get all those shots on to madrak without being in threat range of your things. Not really worried about sloan. At least i am not more worried with this list than with any other list
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Post by chgros on Mar 9, 2017 15:39:05 GMT
Thank you for those information trollock sure janissa can help here. and i forgot the GK aura .... nice ....
Why very high armor vs armor percing ? Arm 16/ 2 + 2 from aura = ARM 10 ... hunters can boost damage .. this still can hurt a lot ....
captain adept can also put -2 Def ... ( if they play two of them one can snipe+shadow fire, the other snipe + flare) ...
Well for sure the casterkill is not as easy as i thought it was.
i will have a SR tournament (64 guys) in a month. still trying to find my pairing ( adr or not ... and what caster ... was thinking going with ragnor 2 guarguan and .. something) It seems there will be lots of scyrah and legion ( only 1 or 2 Khador and cygnar) ... do you think your maddy 3 list can be good against them ? Can this complement well a grissel 2 bombers list ?
Your plan initialy was a Doomy2/Madrak3 pairing ?
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Post by Arcaux on Mar 9, 2017 15:43:32 GMT
You half the armour from 16 to 8 And then add the +2 and then the +2 again so it's arm 12 not 10.
Also if they run 2 GCA's then the first shot is shield guarded so they need to shadow fire twice.
I personally don't think you want to run two shooty lists together as certain matchups then become a problem (E.G Convergence, Menoth) So pick your Shooty list: Madrak3, Grissel2, Grim2 or Gunnbjorn and your heavy spam list: Doomy2, Doomy3, Ragnor, Grissel1
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Post by chgros on Mar 9, 2017 15:54:52 GMT
omg ... i forgot the shield .... erf well
if i can't do simple math maybe that explain why i am so bad at this game :-)
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Post by Trollock on Mar 9, 2017 18:07:38 GMT
Your plan initialy was a Doomy2/Madrak3 pairing ? That is clearly an option. The next tournament i will go to (well.. I will host it and still play lol) will use active duty roster, so i am planning on going Doomy 2 + Ragnor there instead to take advantage of specialists. It feels like Doomy 2 that switches in 3 Slag trolls when up against heavy spam will be super fun But if the ADR was not an option, and i still wanted Doomy 2, i would try Madrak 3 as a pairing. I mean, it would be an experiment, but that is half the fun, right?
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Post by chgros on Mar 9, 2017 19:18:30 GMT
:-)
I am clearly in the same boat ... i'll probably go Doomy2 PoD / Ragnor MK+GK in ADR (will test this tomorrow).
Could you share your lists/thoughts or is it still top secret until the event ? I too planned to put a few slags for the Warmachines games ( We all have our 4 slags taking the dust from EE no ? ^_^).
I'll post mine when ready in another thread to stop being out of topic here (sorry about that).
Thanks again trollock and the other guys here to help us still kick other faction's ass !
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Post by Trollock on Mar 9, 2017 21:27:16 GMT
Here is what i currently have: Doomshaper 2 | Ragnor 1 |
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Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia
(Doomshaper 2) Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Mulg the Ancient [19] - Troll Axer [10] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Troll Whelps [0] Northkin Shaman [0] Northkin Shaman [0] Bunker (Steamroller) [0]
| Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia
(Ragnor 1) Ragnor Skysplitter, The Runemaster [+30] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Mountain King [36] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Trollkin Runeshapers [9] Janissa Stonetide [0] Troll Whelps [0] Bunker (Steamroller) [0]
| Specialists: - Slag Troll [10] - Slag Troll [10] - Slag Troll [10] Troll Whelps [4] Janissa Stonetide [4]
| Specialists: - Troll Bouncer [9] - Pyre Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] Troll Whelps [4] Northkin Shaman [4] Northkin Shaman [4]
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For Doomy the ADR is basically just so that i can switch in three slags instead of two of the heavies if i am up against jack spam. For Ragnor, the ADR is so that i can switch out runeshapers + a light for an Axer + 2 shamans if i wish. Or switch in a Pyre troll if i am up against fire based assassination lists (unlikely) or switch out either the storm or the Runeshapers for another Bouncer. ADR becomes way less powerful when you play in theme obviously, but it has some merit at least.
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Post by phantasmagorium on Mar 9, 2017 23:44:00 GMT
I've been having a hard time trying to get Maddy3 into a PoD list, because I feel like he loses too much of his feat. You have just convinced me to give it a try anyways and see what happens. Will report back after I get some games in!
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Post by chgros on Mar 10, 2017 15:34:33 GMT
Thanks trollock
Here is what i am planning to use ( first try of ragnor tonight)
Trollblood - 75 - Doom2 ADR
Theme: The Power of Dhunia
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army 38 / 40 Specialist
Bunker - Steamroller Objective
Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia - WB: +27
- Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19)
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8)
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15
- Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 15
- Mulg the Ancient - PC: 19
- Troll Axer - PC: 10
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0
Northkin Shaman - PC: 0
Northkin Shaman - PC: 0
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
- Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
SPECIALISTS
Slag Troll - PC: 10
Slag Troll - PC: 10
Slag Troll - PC: 10
Janissa Stonetide - PC: 4
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Trollblood - 75 - Ragnor ADR
Theme: The Power of Dhunia
3 / 3 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army 39 / 40 Specialist
Bunker - Steamroller Objective
Ragnor Skysplitter, the Runemaster - WB: +30
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 30)
- Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 15
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15
- Troll Axer - PC: 10
- Troll Bouncer - PC: 9
- Troll Bouncer - PC: 9
Northkin Shaman - PC: 0
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
SPECIALISTS
Glacier King - PC: 35
Janissa Stonetide - PC: 4
Can swap 3 slags for mauler + earthborn I think it can be great against warmachine.
The ragnor list is for double gaurgan purpose, switching mauler + axer + bouncer for the GK Can't find a way to keep the stone UA or a better ADR setup ( if someone can/wants to make it better, go !)
What do you think of the ragnor list ?
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Post by Trollock on Mar 10, 2017 18:53:26 GMT
Looks totally legit for me. I am not at all set on my Ragnor list atm, so i might give this a spin
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Post by gdnerd on Mar 11, 2017 7:27:12 GMT
Not gonna lie, I only signed up for these forums because you are here Trollock.
Also I've been dojoing Ragnor to pair with Doom2 to replace Callandra, and just now noticed they are both on ADR.
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Post by Trollock on Mar 11, 2017 13:05:41 GMT
Cheers man
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Post by chgros on Mar 12, 2017 8:49:55 GMT
I played my ragnor list.
Found it great, 2 huge bases like that is scary ... but its not easy to move .... my opponent made a mistake trying to kill a garg under ragnor's feat ... bad idea ... he was then crunshed ....
But I found that i was missing an axer, don't know if i really need an EBDT. Range 10 is not enough to put some pressure ... will try to incorporate an axer
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Post by robobengt on Mar 22, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
I played my ragnor list. Found it great, 2 huge bases like that is scary ... but its not easy to move .... my opponent made a mistake trying to kill a garg under ragnor's feat ... bad idea ... he was then crunshed .... But I found that i was missing an axer, don't know if i really need an EBDT. Range 10 is not enough to put some pressure ... will try to incorporate an axer I've been running almost that exact list but with an axer instead of a bouncer and it's been working really well. The axer is amazing there since you can use it to increase the threat ranges of the shooting from the gargantuans. The earthborn is super nice, since he's a perfect target for pulverizer, and with terrain almost certainly giving him the +2SPD he can get some form of alpha relatively easily. Then you feat and he won't die.
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