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Post by michael on Oct 21, 2021 20:08:09 GMT
I like the Decimator buff. Seems Karchev can get Prowl now. The Decimator buff is pure gold. (Remember, I'm the only guy who fielded a Decimator in almost every single game I've played in MK III.)
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Post by Havock on Oct 21, 2021 20:13:36 GMT
Decimator under Incite and Battle will be just great.
RAT6, POW19 shots with knockdown.
Even without it, at least it's dangerous now.
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Post by michael on Oct 22, 2021 0:01:05 GMT
Oh, poor, poor Drago. I just keep looking at the line "Drago 13pts (-1)" and shaking my head!
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 22, 2021 3:00:33 GMT
Oh, that's quite a clever spell. Stops anything that requires LoS, like Counter Charge. And even on its worst day it's a +2 to hit with all attacks. If it costs 2 like RW, though, it gets much less useful on a F6 caster with 3 good upkeeps. Hmm. On balance, I think I'd still be happy even at cost 2. I never cast Razor Wind, whereas I can think of a lot of scenarios where I would cast that. Thumbs up from me! EDIT: Wait, for some reason I thought it only affected Warriors, which you don't say. If that affects any target then it's even better! You did nothing wrong - those 'COST 2 DD' spells is nothing more than a backup pistol and it is one of the most unused spells group. And, even for Malakov2, he don't have Teleknesis or Arc Node(imagine Magnus with Renegade) to reliably trigger it. Everybody will be happy to cut those unused spells. Also given his concept the new spell suits him as well.
Although I did used it once with success - I have arced Arcane Bolt of my Stryker1, with boosted attack and damage roll it was enough to kill the opponent's Journeyman Warcaster and cut Arcane Shield. Well, not so bad deal for sink 4 focus points and a Lancer, I think.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 22, 2021 4:12:32 GMT
I do not like the fact that Targetting Flare became Flare. +2 Mat in melee is nice, but that just makes the Spriggan an overpriced pure melee jack rather than a utility piece. I think he's going to see less play than before, especially with other jacks getting better and/or point cuts - Beast09 is cheaper now! And Ruin has better armour overall!
I dunno. Maybe he'll become Strakhov's best bud again?
I don't know what to think about the change on Torch.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 22, 2021 6:51:56 GMT
Perhaps you can put the AOE farther, for Targeting Flare requires you to put AOE completely within RNG but the attack with Flare just needs to be hit. Although you need to hit the given target in the first place, either score a direct hit or catch the target after deviation. Still able to simply put the AOE seems better than have a weapon with Flare.
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 22, 2021 7:49:50 GMT
A fairly subtle little buff that I missed on the first time through is the Rod of Whispers on Zerkova1. Range 12 is so much better than range 10, and Grave Door now lets you channel even when engaged. It's still a fairly niche bit of her toolkit, but it's a lot better now.
Sacrificial Lamb on Zerkova2 is interesting too. Being able to stack focus on jacks is so much better than giving one all around, a mechanic unit with a repairable UA costs 3 points, and assuming there's not a typo it says 'model in battlegroup', not Warjack. Yeah, I'll take 2-6 focus on Zerkova, cheers
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 22, 2021 8:02:38 GMT
Perhaps you can put the AOE farther, for Targeting Flare requires you to put AOE completely within RNG but the attack with Flare just needs to be hit. Although you need to hit the given target in the first place, either score a direct hit or catch the target after deviation. The problem is you have, what, a 1 in 3 chance of actually de-stealthing a small-based model now? The Spriggan gets a second shot so maybe around 50% chance, but that's still not great. Before you could de-stealth with one AOE and double-boost a second for a decent chance of a kill. And that's technically without taking away from the Spriggan's melee activation. Plus of course you didn't need a target so you could place an AOE to catch two models several inches apart, or place at the edge of a cloud to catch a model standing behind the cloud. Now it's useless against cloud-walls. Unless, I dunno, you put your own model in the cloud and miss a shot, then hope to drift to a useful place?
Still able to simply put the AOE seems better than have a weapon with Flare. It gave him a niche; I don't know if "accuracy buff" is something worth bringing an overpriced melee jack for? Maybe it is, we have other answers for stealth now? I dunno. I'm just not sure what the thought process was. I would have liked "developer notes" or something.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 22, 2021 8:06:07 GMT
Sacrificial Lamb on Zerkova2 is interesting too. Being able to stack focus on jacks is so much better than giving one all around, a mechanic unit with a repairable UA costs 3 points, and assuming there's not a typo it says 'model in battlegroup', not Warjack. Yeah, I'll take 2-6 focus on Zerkova, cheers
"A model may gain no more than 3 focus this way"
I didn't realise Zerkova herself could gain additional focus, that's interesting.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 22, 2021 9:24:13 GMT
Perhaps you can put the AOE farther, for Targeting Flare requires you to put AOE completely within RNG but the attack with Flare just needs to be hit. Although you need to hit the given target in the first place, either score a direct hit or catch the target after deviation. The problem is you have, what, a 1 in 3 chance of actually de-stealthing a small-based model now? The Spriggan gets a second shot so maybe around 50% chance, but that's still not great. Before you could de-stealth with one AOE and double-boost a second for a decent chance of a kill. And that's technically without taking away from the Spriggan's melee activation. Plus of course you didn't need a target so you could place an AOE to catch two models several inches apart, or place at the edge of a cloud to catch a model standing behind the cloud. Now it's useless against cloud-walls. Unless, I dunno, you put your own model in the cloud and miss a shot, then hope to drift to a useful place?
Still able to simply put the AOE seems better than have a weapon with Flare. It gave him a niche; I don't know if "accuracy buff" is something worth bringing an overpriced melee jack for? Maybe it is, we have other answers for stealth now? I dunno. I'm just not sure what the thought process was. I would have liked "developer notes" or something. Yeah. We all know Khadoran jacks are not very accurate and it unlikely to land a hit even with two shots so I think that it is a weird change. Although it may viewed as cheap for simply put the AOE but we need to see the price tag of Spriggan before argue about that. If you can put an AOE to remove these by a 4 point solo with RNG 14 it surely a negative issue, but Spriggan is a heavy and it has SPD 4 and RNG 10....
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 22, 2021 10:17:55 GMT
Yeah. We all know Khadoran jacks are not very accurate and it unlikely to land a hit even with two shots so I think that it is a weird change. Although it may viewed as cheap for simply put the AOE but we need to see the price tag of Spriggan before argue about that. If you can put an AOE to remove these by a 4 point solo with RNG 14 it surely a negative issue, but Spriggan is a heavy and it has SPD 4 and RNG 10.... I was referring to de-stealthing a model so you miss by default, but yeah: if the model's DEF is high enough that you want to land a flare on it, RAT 4 is not reliable even with a boost. They haven't listed a point change for the Spriggan so I imagine it hasn't changed.
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Post by Havock on Oct 22, 2021 11:27:26 GMT
Flare will, most of the time, be better than stealth removal because not everything has stealth, but +2 to hit nearly always helps.
Also, with less blast immunity going around we can just carpet bomb things.
Maybe it's time to revisit the Karchev gunboat again.
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Post by michael on Oct 22, 2021 13:52:34 GMT
I do not like the fact that Targetting Flare became Flare. +2 Mat in melee is nice, but that just makes the Spriggan an overpriced pure melee jack rather than a utility piece. I think he's going to see less play than before, especially with other jacks getting better and/or point cuts - Beast09 is cheaper now! And Ruin has better armour overall! I dunno. Maybe he'll become Strakhov's best bud again? I don't know what to think about the change on Torch. Flare is FANTASTIC. The Spriggan is now a -2 DEF debuff AOE on a stick. Flare allows every single model to benefit. Pure gold!
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 22, 2021 14:51:50 GMT
It doesn't answer gear checks the way targetting flare did though.
Well, I dunno. It's just not what I had in mind when I asked for Mat7 Spriggans.
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Post by michael on Oct 22, 2021 15:14:21 GMT
It doesn't answer gear checks the way targetting flare did though. Well, I dunno. It's just not what I had in mind when I asked for Mat7 Spriggans. Eh. Spriggan is MAT 8 on the charge. That’s good enough for me. Also, PC 16 Grolars! Huzzah!
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