vomath
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 1:18:32 GMT
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Post by vomath on Jan 14, 2020 1:18:32 GMT
I kinda think they'll be designing her with the idea that Engine of Destruction is part of her speed (she has an engine, after all). I wouldn't be surprised if she was SPD 6 with the justification that she'll be effectively SPD 8 after EoD. But, I think SPD 7 is the most likely.
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 1:42:11 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2020 1:42:11 GMT
The lowest bar is kinda expected for an engine of destruction caster... I hope for better defences too, but I don't expect any other stats better than above. 14/14 after upkeeping primed on herself would dash our dreams. I'd love for her (and Helga1) to realise they're a Farrow warlord and go to mat 7 though. I mean, to be fair, those stats would actually put her below Locke (who has two P+S 12 initials), who is the lowest output of the Engine of Destruction 'casters. That said, she is notable in that she's (hopefully, assuming they don't give her Speed 6 and force her to be horribly exposed) the Engine of Destruction 'caster most likely to actually be able to play safely after contributing in melee. So I'm not necessarily expecting P+S 13 or higher... but look at that bat. She's gotta at least try and compete with Harkevich in the batting stakes.
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 2:18:34 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 14, 2020 2:18:34 GMT
Man, she'd love to switch bats with Kaptain Ham.
There is the possibility of a 5th spell... Warlocks tend to have less spells because of animi, and a Farrow warlock has the lowest possible range of animi so if anyone gets it...
Edit: I just remembered casters can voluntarily drop their upkeeps during their activation. She could drop primed once she's done punching if there are any risks to her. Means 14/17 or so may be acceptable...
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 2:33:04 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2020 2:33:04 GMT
Helga1 has five spells.
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vomath
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Post by vomath on Jan 14, 2020 6:09:36 GMT
So, uh, looking over all the Large-based Cavalry casters I notice that all the Warmachine ones ride horses and are SPD 8 and all the Hordes ones ride something else and are SPD 7. The one and only exception is Morvahna 2, who's on a SPD 8 goat. I'm obviously preoccupied, since I keep going in circles over Helga. Really liking forward to seeing the full rules.
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 8:13:06 GMT
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Post by bigk on Jan 14, 2020 8:13:06 GMT
Well, all I know is I made the very well thought out decision that was by no means a foolish to buy a second meat thresher in the hopes she does “turn them up to 10”! Go Helga!
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 9:12:39 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 14, 2020 9:12:39 GMT
...I hope that was second hand from a mystery box or something haha. I don't think meat threshers will ever be more than 'funsies'.
There is some discussion in my group about escort vs horsepower or maybe something else. Her giving repo 3 instead of 5 like Kraye means escort is a possibility. Was it stated that it was a mass battlegroup movement buff? Not single target or army wide?
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 9:32:07 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2020 9:32:07 GMT
Haha, I've been considering getting a second one too, but thus far I'm not 100% sure I'll even play one. Certainly intend to try her with one to begin with, it's one of the better models with her Feat, but I don't know if it will stay with her :/
Boy these final spoilers can't come soon enough. Though I guess once they are out the tension becomes seeing if she changes between now and release.
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Post by charlzheimer on Jan 14, 2020 10:06:48 GMT
i am not buying any more "huge" based models untill i have painted the ones i have.
seriously my army looks grey enough.
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 10:38:02 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 14, 2020 10:38:02 GMT
I'm not getting a meat thresher even if she does make them legitimately good unless it's second hand. Every huge base I have either is a caster or is only worth considering with one caster. Enough of that. Basically, I don't own Skorne or Protectorate
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 14:03:16 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Jan 14, 2020 14:03:16 GMT
I'm not getting a meat thresher even if she does make them legitimately good unless it's second hand. Every huge base I have either is a caster or is only worth considering with one caster. Enough of that. Basically, I don't own Skorne or Protectorate See with the first and second round of mystery boxes I got two meat threshers dirt cheap (like 15$) since nobody wanted them. Now if helga makes them good I’ll just laugh
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Helga2
Jan 14, 2020 23:32:53 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 14, 2020 23:32:53 GMT
For what it's worth, I have a Legion friend who swears by a Lylyth1 Oracles list with two Meat Threshers. So you know, there's a possible use for them somewhere.
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Helga2
Jan 15, 2020 19:44:43 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 15, 2020 19:44:43 GMT
Molten Metal would be kinda on brand and okayish for the Soul Slave to cast. Though, I'm not expecting her to have more than four spells. I'm guessing: SPD 7 MAT 6 DEF 14 ARM 16 HP 17 FURY 6 Bat - 1" - P+S 12 Chain - 2" - P+S 10 The four spells as spoiled and the Feat is worded as army wide Refuge. Sadly looks like you more or less called it on the stats. Mat, Armour, and health are each a point higher, but Speed 7 and the weapons are indeed P+S 12 and 10. The Chain has Pull and the the POW 12 mount has Crit Knockdown and Grinding Wheel. Saddest of all, it looks like they dropped Flashing Blade and replaced it with Battering Ram, and she has Battle Host (Escort) as her speed buff. No Flashing Blade hurts quite a lot, that's a much lower battlefield presence than initially seemed on the table. Only rule beyond that we haven't seen is Exhaust Fumes, which... seems like it actually removes one of the Meat Thresher's main selling points?
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Helga2
Jan 15, 2020 20:04:31 GMT
Post by charlzheimer on Jan 15, 2020 20:04:31 GMT
WELP.
battlehost (escort) instead of warhorse.
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Helga2
Jan 15, 2020 20:26:42 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 15, 2020 20:26:42 GMT
I like her Riot Quest rules at least?
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