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Helga2
Jan 17, 2020 23:47:37 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 17, 2020 23:47:37 GMT
What are the Minion chats?
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Helga2
Jan 18, 2020 0:22:52 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 18, 2020 0:22:52 GMT
Oh I just meant colloquially. This+minion group on FB+ the various WM chats with my local group.
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Helga2
Jan 18, 2020 0:44:30 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 18, 2020 0:44:30 GMT
Ah, I think I misread the original post I thought you were saying there was one place with Minion chats where the response was being relentlessly upbeat.
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Helga2
Jan 18, 2020 2:36:33 GMT
Post by custardboy on Jan 18, 2020 2:36:33 GMT
Generally the Facebook page is very upbeat.
I just had a tester game with Helga2. Escort, reposition, pathfinder and cav charge on hogs is legitimately good and came up each turn except her feat. As expected, her feat was pretty terrible. Half the stuff that ran around with her feat had primal anyway. The Meat Thresher was abysmal, it did a total of 6 points to a Carnivean and 3 to a Hellmouth over the game, failed to kill a single vital warmonger, killed one of my own Nyss who was stuck in the way, and lost half its health to just incidental damage (clipped with sprays, Primed explosion, free strike). Primed Nyss Hunters was just too much effort having to use the blast key on your models all the time, then when they charged in only one had to die to kill most of the chargers. Also, they need to CRA, so only two of them actually moved on her feat turn. Helga2 went into combat a few times, once on her feat turn to clear a tentacle and failed (next to a Blightbringer and under Thags1 aura). The second was two warmongers, which took Engine and two bought attacks to clear (also casting Primed on the Nyss and Sprint on herself). Third was charging straight into Thags at the end of the game. He had 3 transfers and Excessive Healing but no Blightbringer and was KD from Hutchuck. After she was done, he still had 1 transfer left and 15hp. It's not to say she's BAD in combat, but her base pow is very low for someone supposed to get real work done.
All in all, the Reposition was good, Escort with base pathfinder is much better than Mobility, and for everything else Carver would be far better.
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Helga2
Jan 18, 2020 8:02:33 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 18, 2020 8:02:33 GMT
Even the Reposition can be semi-replicated I feel, which is a troubling aspect. If your Road Hogs are sprinting anyway, and Boomhowler2 means a War Hog has Reposition, you're not *that* far behind... Will you be reporting your games in this informal CID we've apparently got going?
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Helga2
Jan 18, 2020 8:07:01 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 18, 2020 8:07:01 GMT
Where do you post that? I'm trying to think of thematic feats for her. I came up with one to fix Helga1, but that isn't what we're doing right now
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Helga2
Jan 18, 2020 11:44:21 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 18, 2020 11:44:21 GMT
It was a few pages back. Hungerford is apparently happy to receive feedback via email.
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Helga2
Jan 19, 2020 12:16:21 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 19, 2020 12:16:21 GMT
I just went through the Thornfall roster to discuss and it was... harrowing. How does Thornfall have so many completely awful pieces? I am trying to be objective in these things but it's a bit tough.
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Helga2
Jan 19, 2020 12:20:06 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 19, 2020 12:20:06 GMT
I just went through the Thornfall roster to discuss and it was... harrowing. How does Thornfall have so many completely awful pieces? I am trying to be objective in these things but it's a bit tough. What were you discussing? I feel like it would be easier to judge our infantry if we had anything I could seriously describe as an infantry Warlock. Since we don't, I barely ever find myself looking at non-Warbeast Farrow. At least the Warbeasts are mostly good.
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Helga2
Jan 19, 2020 12:36:13 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 19, 2020 12:36:13 GMT
Oh this was just thinking about stuff to discuss. I'll send him an email once I have a few battle reports with Helga2 ready to go.
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Helga2
Jan 19, 2020 12:48:28 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 19, 2020 12:48:28 GMT
Ah, with Hungerford. Yeah, makes sense. I'm going to try and keep the focus on Helga2, since I'm not really holding out much hope for the any wider changes beyond this initial release, but it can't hurt to bring that stuff up I suppose
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Helga2
Jan 19, 2020 22:54:36 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 19, 2020 22:54:36 GMT
Which is good and bad. I'd like to see so many more changes
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Helga2
Jan 20, 2020 3:38:51 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 20, 2020 3:38:51 GMT
Well, I'll be aiming to test her tonight. Forgot to pack any Valkyries or a Bone Shrine for the game, so I whipped together a list based on what I actually had with me. I don't think this is totally unreasonable:
Helga2 -War Hog -War Hog -Road Hog -Road Hog -Battle Boar -Soul Slave Bellows Crew Ledfoot and Tredz Eilish Boomhowler2 Void Archon Meat Thresher
I think the second War Hog might need to become a unit of Valkyries (to have any hope of realistically keeping Helga alive), a Bone Shrine, and Lanyssa, though I don't like how fragile the list begins to feel at that point.
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Helga2
Jan 20, 2020 3:59:05 GMT
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Post by vomath on Jan 20, 2020 3:59:05 GMT
Who is Boomhowler giving Repo to? The gobbers? Does the Void Archon get Primed? My hair brained idea for Primed Voids is to use the Feat Turn and their teleport to get it B2B with some support model. Then the opponent has to choose whether to take a Free Strike or the Primed damage. Be interested to know how Ledfoot does for you with Wheelga.
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Helga2
Jan 20, 2020 4:08:28 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 20, 2020 4:08:28 GMT
Boomhowler and Ledfoot are both there mostly so that the Hermit can actually be relevant. Without any way of swinging damage in her otherwise battlegroup-centric kit, and seeing as she isn't terribly fast and thus somewhat reliant on Road Hogs for threat projection, my concern is that without the ability to deliver a model like Hermit up the table that any real armour will become a very difficult nut for Helga to crack. Skorne, Grymkin, 'jack heavy Khador, Retribution (Tridents), any faction likely to bring a Colossal or Gargantuan, they all feel like problems this list will have. The massive resource investment into getting just one -2 armour debuff into play isn't ideal, but she doesn't have a whole lot of alternatives either unfortunately.
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