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Post by Charistoph on Dec 28, 2018 23:22:04 GMT
Charistoph, I wasn't necessarily talking about the gameformat, but about the needless thirst for powercreep on the players part and PPs readiness to accommodate. This evershifting meta is very cool when this game is your life, but not wellsuited at all for people who want to tag along with the existing, supermotivated playerbase that does follow these shifts. It's not just that they have to learn depth, but that, by the time they have learned to play their army well, they have move to the next list cause the old one won't do. Conversely, they could do as GW does and not give a lot of care about power-base at all, with some armies advancing by leaps and others barely getting any love at all or even left languishing for a decade or more.
Part of a business is to have advances, and unfortunately for gaming with multiple factions, that means some power creep will be entailed, if by new mechanics if nothing else. PP was better at it before by addressing all the factions of a mechanic being advanced at the same time, instead of this one sub-faction every other month crap. I freakin swear that PP has been taken over by GW since the advent of the Theme Forces and the CID since they changed their pace to match GW's.
A meta will determine what is powerful or not by the games they choose to play. What works great at 10 point games doesn't always translate well to 75 point games, for example. What works in CoI may not be as effective in Steamroller.
If no one is willing to give any other game type but Steamroller a chance, then they have no one else to blame when Steamroller balance issues are the only one's being addressed by their feedback.
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 28, 2018 23:39:09 GMT
Ah yes, the softest of soft sciences. Ah yes...the smuggest of responses. Or maybe business management has roots in risk management, accounting, and project implementation and planning... And maybe marketing has its roots in applied behavioral sciences, and statistics.... Nahhh.... Best just be a smug dick... >references a bunch of soft sciences and carefully pruned math classes to prove what they're talking about isn't a soft science.
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Post by shiver on Dec 29, 2018 0:00:09 GMT
Ah yes...the smuggest of responses. Or maybe business management has roots in risk management, accounting, and project implementation and planning... And maybe marketing has its roots in applied behavioral sciences, and statistics.... Nahhh.... Best just be a smug dick... >references a bunch of soft sciences and carefully pruned math classes to prove what they're talking about isn't a soft science. Accounting and statistics are carefully pruned math classes? I thought those were required for a bachelors. The were for mine. Also, appearently yeah, the correct answer is "sure, I'll be a smug dick".
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 29, 2018 0:30:56 GMT
The ones for business degrees are.
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Post by frumiousbandersnatch on Dec 29, 2018 8:53:16 GMT
Don't talk to me unless you can explain your business model using Galois theory, Fourier analysis and conformal mapping. At the same time. :^)
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Post by shiver on Dec 29, 2018 20:01:09 GMT
The ones for business degrees are. Hmmm...must just be a "soft science" thing. I majored in psychology for my Bs and Ms
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Post by vlad on Dec 29, 2018 23:53:27 GMT
The ones for business degrees are. Hmmm...must just be a "soft science" thing. I majored in psychology for my Bs and Ms I think you both could agree that while they are “soft” sciences, they are still science nonetheless, and have been getting more “hard” in recent years.
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 30, 2018 0:25:47 GMT
Not really. The replication crisis is real.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 30, 2018 0:56:17 GMT
They are harder than the social sciences, which have been converted to being activist degrees instead of science, though some psychology degrees are in that boat, too. A lot depends on the school.
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Post by NephMakes on Dec 30, 2018 1:02:19 GMT
Is there a way to unsubscribe from a thread?
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Post by michael on Dec 30, 2018 17:35:35 GMT
Yeah, let this thread die.
Also, in summary: be a cool human being, and when somebody says “I think I’ll do X”, rather than gleefully slamming down your hand and declaring “Gotcha!”, instead say “You know, that unit has Y, so that won’t work”, or “If you do X, remember that I can do Z. Are you sure you want to do that?”
Why? Because both players will have a more pleasant experience that way.
So just be cool, people.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 30, 2018 19:09:23 GMT
Surely anything other than Geology is a soft science?
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Post by jisidro on Dec 30, 2018 19:58:51 GMT
Surely anything other than Geology is a soft science? Rocks fired? Happy new year!
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 30, 2018 20:30:58 GMT
There was a page in this thread, half of which I saw as "This post is hidden. Display Post" yet if anything, my Ignore list is about to get longer. I think that sums it up pretty well, but to be clear, there are problems with both the company and the player base, and yes, the biggest problems are the bad blood between PP and LGS and the declining player base. Power creep is one problem, but those are the bigger, more overarching ones.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Dec 30, 2018 21:42:02 GMT
Yeah, let this thread die. Also, in summary: be a cool human being, and when somebody says “I think I’ll do X”, rather than gleefully slamming down your hand and declaring “Gotcha!”, instead say “You know, that unit has Y, so that won’t work”, or “If you do X, remember that I can do Z. Are you sure you want to do that?” Why? Because both players will have a more pleasant experience that way. So just be cool, people. While I agree with the sentiment, your summary is incorrect. “I think I’ll do X” is not what happened.
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