shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 29, 2018 20:44:36 GMT
WHO CAN KNOW?!!
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 29, 2018 21:24:38 GMT
I know this might be a controversial opinion on this board, but I genuinely found some of shoe's posts to be insightful, especially so if he pulls lists out of his hat that all seem streamlined and efficient, or if he explains why something is bad. So, thanks but no thanks for the advice. He's actually usually helpful I'm just not sure if the way he types here is how he usually types and he takes more time on cid forum posts or vice versa. Indeed he is. i lurked this forum quite intensively, and tbh most of the time if found people just disagreed with shoe on some issue or another (usually he called their favourite models/themes bad) and then proceeded to just dicount his opinion entirely, because he's a troll and that obviously means nothing he ever says has merit, since then you conveniently don't have to actually argue your case. /s Back on topic, shoe also contributes on warmachine University and even corrects grammar and spelling mistakes there if I'm not mistaken. But who knows indeed.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 29, 2018 21:32:30 GMT
That shoe on Warmachine University and also on the CID forms are probably two other people I think. the avatar is not the same
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 29, 2018 22:08:24 GMT
That shoe on Warmachine University and also on the CID forms are probably two other people I think. the avatar is not the same Makes sense, I do think the shoe on WU reads your posts though. Edits on the pages of Devil Doggos, Crosse2 and Sinerators started popping up after you posted your lists in the other thread and discovered that Doggos are bollix. Maybe file a copyright claim or get him for impersonating or both i dunno.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2018 23:19:53 GMT
You're not kidding, and I should have noticed earlier. I'm just going to put you on Ignore and I strongly suggest that everyone else do the same. I know this might be a controversial opinion on this board, but I genuinely found some of shoe's posts to be insightful, especially so if he pulls lists out of his hat that all seem streamlined and efficient, or if he explains why something is bad. So, thanks but no thanks for the advice. That's fair but right now he's making a great effort to be worse than useless and I just don't have the patience for it, especially when I've seen him do this before.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 29, 2018 23:29:47 GMT
rite now? the last post on this thread was two weeks old when you showed up bub
also i never make extra effort
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 30, 2018 0:32:25 GMT
u sure are more curious about why he ignoring me that i am.
this thread is derailed becaus moar barmu wont come back and take leadership so it is left in my hands to fix dorfs and i cannot be held responsible for wat happens after that
anyway don't play searfrog commission.
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 30, 2018 3:28:06 GMT
That's fair but right now he's making a great effort to be worse than useless and I just don't have the patience for it, especially when I've seen him do this before. Just curious, but what exactly do you want him to help with? Because I'd argue that wishlisting stuff is unhelpful in the first place. Especially on a forum that is not PPs. When a Rhulic CID is not schedueled afaik. When this is not the first time this dicussion has come up and everytime it seemed to devolve into "GIVE HIGHSHIELDS CARAPACE" in not even 10 posts. I just ask because there were a number of dicussions going on in this thread, non of which shoe derailed, except maybe the original one. I guess it's fair to critizise shoe for trolling that one, if it weren't for the above points I listed, which kinda doom the whole effort anyway. If that is not what you are annoyed with, I'd love to hear what is, because none of the posts you quoted one page back struck me as particulary unhelpful or useless. Hyperbole is not helping your case. Carapace has not been mentioned in this thread at all. Carapace was a suggestion that I made in the previous as a replacement for the Shield Wall Order (and it would remain an Order still) and only if the High Shields were going to be a dedicated ranged unit.
Wishlisting is not completely useless because some of these ideas could be mentioned on PP's forums (either standard or CID), which could lead to some effective changes. It is also an exercise in creation which can be an enjoyable act all on its own.
Shoe's comments can seem acerbic to some, and so he can be Ignored by those who do not wish to deal with them. If it's not a problem for you, then don't ignore him. If others do, it's no skin off your nose.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 30, 2018 9:11:44 GMT
Just curious, but what exactly do you want him to help with? Because I'd argue that wishlisting stuff is unhelpful in the first place. Especially on a forum that is not PPs. When a Rhulic CID is not schedueled afaik. When this is not the first time this dicussion has come up and everytime it seemed to devolve into "GIVE HIGHSHIELDS CARAPACE" in not even 10 posts. I just ask because there were a number of dicussions going on in this thread, non of which shoe derailed, except maybe the original one. I guess it's fair to critizise shoe for trolling that one, if it weren't for the above points I listed, which kinda doom the whole effort anyway. If that is not what you are annoyed with, I'd love to hear what is, because none of the posts you quoted one page back struck me as particulary unhelpful or useless. Hyperbole is not helping your case. Carapace has not been mentioned in this thread at all. Carapace was a suggestion that I made in the previous as a replacement for the Shield Wall Order (and it would remain an Order still) and only if the High Shields were going to be a dedicated ranged unit.
Wishlisting is not completely useless because some of these ideas could be mentioned on PP's forums (either standard or CID), which could lead to some effective changes. It is also an exercise in creation which can be an enjoyable act all on its own.
Shoe's comments can seem acerbic to some, and so he can be Ignored by those who do not wish to deal with them. If it's not a problem for you, then don't ignore him. If others do, it's no skin off your nose.
Yes, you are absolutely right and I apologise to all involved. Edit: I decided to delete that comment, since it ironically only served to derail the conversation further and encouraged needless bickering (since it was filled with the same thing).
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Oct 30, 2018 14:22:01 GMT
Long ramble incoming, just my opinion. (A lot has gone on and I'm trying to avoid posting 4 consecutive posts.)
shoe (do you capitalize the "s" if it is the start of a sentence? Inquiring minds want to know.) has had a lot of posts on the board on both sides of the fence, but I have to say that I love the way the balance of troll and insight has developed. I think we're in a good place. Ignoring him might make your forum experience more streamlined, but you're throwing out the baby and his toys and the bath implements with the bath water.
As far as "wishlisting" goes, this forum is a perfect place for it and CID is the place for legitimate playtesting and suggestions that have been tempered by discussion on boards like these. Us refining our wishlisting here allows us to be more productive when a CID does come around. Also, accusing shoe of promoting "the wishes of munchkins who whine." shows a lack of familiarity with his posts during CID, where he has actively argued against buffs to merc units.
As for sorokin, it was hyperbole for this specific thread, but as someone who has been on the merc page since the old PP boards, the number of time's I've heard "CARAPACE FOR HIGH SHIELDS" is unreal. A quick search in the wayback found 11 unique threads.
Lastly, Ossrum is clearly fine. He is one of our best casters, no doubt, but there are a lot in the same tier. Looking at him in a vacuum can make him appear insanely unbalanced, but the reality is that he is in line with lots of other "very good" things. If your argument is that all casters should be equal, that's unrealistic and impossible, but I would agree with you given that criteria. If your argument is that he is warping the game with his level of power, evidence would prove otherwise.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 30, 2018 15:21:00 GMT
ossru and irregulers has pretty much sinlge handedly (two handedly?)? kept mercs relevant for all of mk3 despite having no actual cid
i not playing him right now cuz i bored and crosse2 covers his matchups now that cinerators are gud but ossrum is the crutch propping up teh faction so dont be a crutch kicker. it is impolite
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mhean
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Post by mhean on Oct 31, 2018 9:32:38 GMT
Ossrum with double battle engine can shut down entire factions, and the irregular version is really strong too. For instance, Cygnar can do nothing about it but hope for a casterkill that will never come if the Ossrum player play smart. More than that, in most competitive pairing you always see Ossrum. He is not like the most negative play experience like Ghost fleet or Haley2 in MK2/beginning of MK3, but he is easily one of the best caster in the game. So yeah, I think a little nerf (with the feat being an aura, or dropping of his spells for an other) would be nice to see from other factions perspective.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Oct 31, 2018 14:22:45 GMT
Ossrum with double battle engine can shut down entire factions, and the irregular version is really strong too. For instance, Cygnar can do nothing about it but hope for a casterkill that will never come if the Ossrum player play smart. More than that, in most competitive pairing you always see Ossrum. He is not like the most negative play experience like Ghost fleet or Haley2 in MK2/beginning of MK3, but he is easily one of the best caster in the game. So yeah, I think a little nerf (with the feat being an aura, or dropping of his spells for an other) would be nice to see from other factions perspective. Current WTC through round 5:
Ossrum 35W 27L
Record against Cygnar
3W 4L
Record against Haley3
1W 4L
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Post by onijet01 on Oct 31, 2018 14:47:12 GMT
Ossrum with double battle engine can shut down entire factions, and the irregular version is really strong too. For instance, Cygnar can do nothing about it but hope for a casterkill that will never come if the Ossrum player play smart. More than that, in most competitive pairing you always see Ossrum. He is not like the most negative play experience like Ghost fleet or Haley2 in MK2/beginning of MK3, but he is easily one of the best caster in the game. So yeah, I think a little nerf (with the feat being an aura, or dropping of his spells for an other) would be nice to see from other factions perspective. Current WTC through round 5:
Ossrum 35W 27L
Record against Cygnar
3W 4L
Record against Haley3
1W 4L
Gonna need a Senzu Bean for that one. Honestly Ossrum is decent but not broken. what makes his lists good are 6pt arm 17 light gun warjacks with powerful attack. So my guess is the jacks will get the debuff (point increase) before anything.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 31, 2018 15:37:23 GMT
i mean, everybody chance to nerf ossrum aint comin for a good long time but why people think pulse to aura gonna change much dont make much sense.
if u wanted to nerf him u could drop his wjp to 27 so he has to use a free pick on anastasia in irregulars. that would be plenti but since he only really good and not busted u dont gots to
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