Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Oct 16, 2018 16:09:43 GMT
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason we are not counting Ossrum players playing in Irregulars as "true rhulic players"? With a feat that starts "Friendly Rhulic models", it seems like a stupid choice to take him and not take a good chunk or rhulic stuff. The inclusion of A&H hardly seems like "unacceptable racial purity" levels.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 16, 2018 17:35:12 GMT
true roolic palayers valu purity over pragmatism
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 16, 2018 17:51:39 GMT
For Durgen I would give him Explosivo, then he has the niche of magic weapons to separate him from the other Rhulic casters
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 16, 2018 20:16:18 GMT
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason we are not counting Ossrum players playing in Irregulars as "true rhulic players"? With a feat that starts "Friendly Rhulic models", it seems like a stupid choice to take him and not take a good chunk or rhulic stuff. The inclusion of A&H hardly seems like "unacceptable racial purity" levels. <sarcasm>The dude's racist is all.</sarcasm>
On more seriousness note, from what I understand Ossrum is really good with Jacks, and Irregulars is the only Jack-oriented Theme in Mercenaries. Meanwhile Hammer Strike is Unit-oriented. Sadly, most of the Rhulic units are too generalist or under-performing in a role to take competitively. I pointed that out and he hasn't bothered to address it.
If there was a Rhulic Jack-oriented Theme and people were still taking Ossrum in Irregulars, then he might have somewhat of a point, but trying to be a purist is countered by the fact that people want to take units that do what they expect.
Being a purist will do absolutely nothing to improve the state of Rhulic units. Actually NOT being a purist will do more to improve the Rhulic state by virtue of low sales and representation and PP wanting to make them desirable in their next CID.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 16, 2018 20:37:50 GMT
teh true mark of a true dorf palayer is that dey will swear up an down dat searfrog commission is strong and competitive even though it couldnt beat any cryx army and didnt nobody win a dam thing with it all of mk2
also dey get mad when u tell em otherwise
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 16, 2018 22:01:34 GMT
teh true mark of a true dorf palayer is that dey will swear up an down dat searfrog commission is strong and competitive even though it couldnt beat any cryx army and didnt nobody win a dam thing with it all of mk2 also dey get mad when u tell em otherwise To be fair...they did the exact same thing since it came out. At least they're consistently wrong.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 16, 2018 23:23:31 GMT
teh true mark of a true dorf palayer is that dey will swear up an down dat searfrog commission is strong and competitive even though it couldnt beat any cryx army and didnt nobody win a dam thing with it all of mk2 also dey get mad when u tell em otherwise To be fair...they did the exact same thing since it came out. At least they're consistently wrong. well at least now the double frog guard double crawler list is pretty strong just like I said the last time I was busy yelling at the dorf players. So dey can hang their hat on dat
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2018 16:17:46 GMT
Last time I played against Ossrum he feated on his army then walked 7" backwards, his Siege Crawlers and Forge Guard then rushed up the board, way out of control, but still getting the +3 arm. It seems a bit over the top that his army can get the extra arm without Ossrum himself moving forward to apply it to them, I can't think of any other arm buff feat that works like that. Leave the spd and pathfinder as a pulse, and change the arm to an aura FWIW, Grissel 2 and Kozlov feats are pulses, but Unyielding is not nearly as good as a flat +3 ARM. Regardless, if they do a Rhulic CID, the #1 priority should be to make Ossrum less stupid broken, and your idea for his feat is a good start. Hell, I'd be satisfied with that and changing Unstoppable Force to target a single warjack and cost 1. (Axis could also stand to be taken down a peg anyway.) Granted, this wouldn't do much about the 2x Crawler + FG lists, but the change to the feat should suffice for that. Hopefully...
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2018 16:20:32 GMT
Looking at casters and even themes other factions can bring, Ossrum is fine. The things you're looking at are not fine. The power creep has to stop somewhere, by definition, because it's not sustainable. And I still think that even some things that were buffed in or originated with CID will have to be walked back a bit eventually.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2018 16:26:35 GMT
Also why we probably won't see much of a power increase in the coming CIDs compared to other factions. That and without the same quantity of players and feed back, adjustments won't be as tuned beyond what other factions complain about unfortunately. nonsense! i will ensure that the upcoming steelhead CID goes just fine for us This is exactly the problem. Far too many players don't care about game balance, only about promoting their own factions, even at the expense of the game as a whole. CID is supposed to be for playtesting, but that gets drowned out by "the wishes of munchkins who whine."
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2018 16:42:30 GMT
wm core has always been 40k players looking for sumthin new and better. once teh newness of 8th wears off, more costumbres will find their way to wm/h but until den dey gots to weather teh storm and makes teh mostarpoopalypse I never played 40K and never will. I might not be a WTC player but I have been in Warmachine off and on from day one. I just bailed from Mk2 as it became so horribly broken that it was literally unplayable, and power creep and the S-Tier were big parts of that. Mk3 is certainly not without its faults, but it streamlined the rules, flattened the power curve at least somewhat, and fixed other huge problems with Mk2, including themes and the scenario system. I still can't believe that Race to 5 lasted as long as it did with no real attempt to fix its glaring, severe, fundamental flaws.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2018 16:48:22 GMT
me dont think that too many things is worth arguing about on here either so i just troll people instead! You're not kidding, and I should have noticed earlier. I'm just going to put you on Ignore and I strongly suggest that everyone else do the same.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 29, 2018 18:25:00 GMT
me dont think that too many things is worth arguing about on here either so i just troll people instead! You're not kidding, and I should have noticed earlier. I'm just going to put you on Ignore and I strongly suggest that everyone else do the same. I know this might be a controversial opinion on this board, but I genuinely found some of shoe's posts to be insightful, especially so if he pulls lists out of his hat that all seem streamlined and efficient, or if he explains why something is bad. So, thanks but no thanks for the advice.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 29, 2018 19:03:47 GMT
me dont think that too many things is worth arguing about on here either so i just troll people instead! You're not kidding, and I should have noticed earlier. I'm just going to put you on Ignore and I strongly suggest that everyone else do the same. if u don't like trolls i think u should ask the lady in charge of the forum to change ur name to "big fat opinionated person" instead!
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 29, 2018 20:01:55 GMT
You're not kidding, and I should have noticed earlier. I'm just going to put you on Ignore and I strongly suggest that everyone else do the same. I know this might be a controversial opinion on this board, but I genuinely found some of shoe's posts to be insightful, especially so if he pulls lists out of his hat that all seem streamlined and efficient, or if he explains why something is bad. So, thanks but no thanks for the advice. He's actually usually helpful I'm just not sure if the way he types here is how he usually types and he takes more time on cid forum posts or vice versa.
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