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Post by mcdermott on Jul 27, 2018 1:25:18 GMT
+1 starting roll gone from shadows. Instead shadows gets one ambushing, no CA infiltrator unit. Given their new decently hard hitting nature that might be quite dangerous
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Post by onijet01 on Jul 27, 2018 1:34:10 GMT
germanicus i like your insights and comments. Yes a +2 spd to smallbassed dawnguard models would balance the playing feild quite a bit in scenerio plays.
The flank (jacknartial) could still be usable as the theme currently allows for doubles. The daenguard scyr is a definite primamry martial, but the artificer does not need a jack nessassarily. As he is more surbivable and can hit at p+s 13 melee he would be good to use as a flank model. He does bring support to the list but some of that is lost once melee begins so as a secondary melee model gis is fairly good.
Of course positioning is always a issue but it happens.
(Yah my vyros 1 list takes an alpha then counter punches so it plays a bit weard)
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Post by isotope on Jul 27, 2018 16:38:09 GMT
I'm thinking of trying something like this:
Retribution Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Shadows of the Retribution
[Vyros 1] Dawnlord Vyros [+28] - Chimera [8] - Harpy [9] - Imperatus [20] - Siren [8] - Siren [8] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19] - Soulless Escort (1) [1] Mage Hunter Infiltrators (max) [15] Spears of Scyrah [9] - Eiryss, Mage Hunter Commander [0(6)]
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Post by forthehorde on Jul 27, 2018 18:01:04 GMT
germanicus i like your insights and comments. Yes a +2 spd to smallbassed dawnguard models would balance the playing feild quite a bit in scenerio plays. The flank (jacknartial) could still be usable as the theme currently allows for doubles. The daenguard scyr is a definite primamry martial, but the artificer does not need a jack nessassarily. As he is more surbivable and can hit at p+s 13 melee he would be good to use as a flank model. He does bring support to the list but some of that is lost once melee begins so as a secondary melee model gis is fairly good. Of course positioning is always a issue but it happens. (Yah my vyros 1 list takes an alpha then counter punches so it plays a bit weard) I believe the flank benefit was only for dawn guard so the artificier wouldn't grant flank bonuses. Without a speed boost LOD lists are going to struggle with any caster that can't help deliver that army. It's a shame, I was happy with it before.
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Post by elladan52 on Jul 27, 2018 20:14:08 GMT
Being able to ambush 13 models is going to be pretty wild
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 28, 2018 3:35:01 GMT
Being able to ambush 13 models is going to be pretty wild If this sticks, I will have to buy infiltrators. Just take all my $ PP, hahaha.
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Post by germanicus on Jul 28, 2018 4:03:10 GMT
Being able to ambush 13 models is going to be pretty wild Max SE's?! Bit out there, innit?! =P Still, I rather hoped that an MHI CA was somewhere in the works (unlikely though that is) which gave Ambush... but here's hoping for AD and Mage Killer or Parry/Acrobatics (not both, that'd be a bit much) mini-feat.
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 29, 2018 12:23:16 GMT
So does anyone know off hand the estimated time of completion for this CID? I thought it was end of July, but that doesn't seem right. I'm super excited to try some lists for a weekend I have coming up in September. Especially Rahn, Ravyn and Issy. Edit: Just watched Dev chat on youtube. So, what I understood was after GenCon. If I'm mistaken please post it
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Post by falkman on Jul 29, 2018 13:25:16 GMT
The last day to submit battle reports and input is tomorrow. After that it usually takes 6-8 weeks before the changes make it into the actual game.
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 29, 2018 13:36:41 GMT
The last day to submit battle reports and input is tomorrow. After that it usually takes 6-8 weeks before the changes make it into the actual game. Uh oh. Hopefully it is 6 not 8 weeks. My small tourney is September 15th...please PP make it happen, haha. Damn you GenCon!
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Post by Demeritus on Jul 30, 2018 2:14:52 GMT
The last day to submit battle reports and input is tomorrow. After that it usually takes 6-8 weeks before the changes make it into the actual game. Uh oh. Hopefully it is 6 not 8 weeks. My small tourney is September 15th...please PP make it happen, haha. Damn you GenCon!
Gencon has nothing to do with it, they have a standard timeline of 2-3 months so they have a bit of breathing room.
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Post by forthehorde on Jul 30, 2018 22:09:14 GMT
Being able to ambush 13 models is going to be pretty wild If this sticks, I will have to buy infiltrators. Just take all my $ PP, hahaha. Lol I'm not sure it'll stick. It's pretty powerful. I played a game into an immortal zaal2 list and with the rfp from theme denying souls and the ability to pop up from beside the zone, charge 10.5 and hit at ps14 3d6 it was pretty gross. Had them running under ellara 2 and on feat they were charging at 12.5 threat and completely obliterated the immortal unit. Was hoping to see what they could do into a heavy with scything touch on them but he wouldn't commit any up the table. If they don't get ambush I'd hope the theme would at least give them independent AD or at the very least give the unit itself 1" reach.
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Post by psycomonky on Jul 30, 2018 23:51:17 GMT
All things considered they are a little less effective than ambushing troll bears so I wouldn't consider them to powerful. They are good in that role and add something dynamic to an otherwise super constrained theme.
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 31, 2018 0:22:25 GMT
I am just grateful Ret is actually getting something with ambush.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 31, 2018 6:58:05 GMT
The last day to submit battle reports and input is tomorrow. After that it usually takes 6-8 weeks before the changes make it into the actual game. Uh oh. Hopefully it is 6 not 8 weeks. My small tourney is September 15th...please PP make it happen, haha. Damn you GenCon! List deadline for your small tournament is August 20 and they've said specifically that they can't guarantee that these particular changes will be ready by September 15. cid.privateerpress.com/forum/rules/new-playtester-area/87477-ret-changes-will-it-make-it-in-time-for-wtc
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