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Post by grimgor on May 16, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
Borka in SotN will typically hard counter any battle group heavy lists as they generally lose effectively a full turn due to the feat. Bears are also really fantastic armor crackers, so between them, the mauler and bearka I don’t see these match ups concerning at all. Also, in terms of the sprays/Coc/ossrum concerns. It’s not a fantastic match up, but with proper spacing, bearka is advantaged as long as you protect your Earthborn (bulldoze shenanigans). In fact I played ossrum 3 times over the course of grotscon and went 3-0 including the finals for both masters and champs. Having played this version of the list for a while now (mauler/lanny as opposed to the rok version) I don’t think I’d ever change it... there’s just something about telling people your bears threat 16” from the side of the board that makes me laugh. I guess madrak wasn't the good drop against mass sprays ? So i will try the match. But the bradigus match is still bad i think, you can't use hunter's mark because of mystic ward, they have 3-5 watchers that are immune to your feat and they have 14" threat range, you would play bearka into this too ? Against skarre 1 with double BE arm 27 too ? Thanks for your answers guys
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Post by Trollock on May 16, 2018 19:30:08 GMT
I can only agree with danksEven though borkas list does not mulch armor, battle group lists will HATE playing against it due to the feat. I played it against slayer spam, and it feels amazing. Sure that is not proper ARM skew, but it shows how much battle group lists like fighting against Raiders who make them stationary. And the counter punch is better than one might think. Borka does more work than most troll heavies by himself, and having an extra heavy that is basically unkillable and really mobile is amazing.
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Post by danks on May 16, 2018 20:14:56 GMT
Skarre double wraith engine gets the Madrak treatment. Not because of the armor but because of the attachment to the stone. I’m less concerned with the one turn of armor than I am of the ability to turn off incorporeal in that match.
I haven’t played Bradigus yet tbh, but i don’t know how it deals effectively with the jam unit in either list. The sprays from the mannequins would have to do a lot of work.
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Post by grimgor on May 16, 2018 21:16:57 GMT
I really want to put him in my pairing, but i was thinking about kolgrimma in SOTN, she does very well into ossrum i think. Do you this borka 2 SoTN is good into cygnar Nemo 3 too ? And Rasheth WoD ? I just tried a match into durst today. The book was very annoying because of the immune stationnary, but i managed to kill him with the raiders. My feat turn was a real pain in the ass for him , Fire eaters burned almost all his support. I finally overkilled durst with bearka.
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Post by Loader on May 17, 2018 8:14:50 GMT
I really want to put him in my pairing, but i was thinking about kolgrimma in SOTN, she does very well into ossrum i think. Do you this borka 2 SoTN is good into cygnar Nemo 3 too ? And Rasheth WoD ? I just tried a match into durst today. The book was very annoying because of the immune stationnary, but i managed to kill him with the raiders. My feat turn was a real pain in the ass for him , Fire eaters burned almost all his support. I finally overkilled durst with bearka. Yeah I read that kolgrima can be a very good partner for Madrak as well. I don't know about Sotn though. I'm guessing it can be pretty good as well. I myself think I am not quite ready for her to be honest. I think she is extremely hard to play and excellency with a mediocre list is better than mediocrity with an excellent list. So in that spirit I think I'd rather try to learn Bearka for now, and when I am bored of Madrak and Bearka I will switch it up with kolgrima and maybe calandra or grim2
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Post by allinontrolls on May 18, 2018 8:20:08 GMT
I am a big fan of borka. Cause he plays like a beast I do not feel that disadvantaged to play him into battlegroup lists. I tried the sotn list and I quite like it but for me it's to similar with my second list. In pod the Feat feels similar strong in the matchups he is dropped into.
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Post by Loader on May 18, 2018 11:45:07 GMT
I am a big fan of borka. Cause he plays like a beast I do not feel that disadvantaged to play him into battlegroup lists. I tried the sotn list and I quite like it but for me it's to similar with my second list. In pod the Feat feels similar strong in the matchups he is dropped into. Interesting... What's your other list? I play Madrak1 BoH and the feel completely different. Are you going with Madrak Sotn? Oder kolgrima?
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Post by allinontrolls on May 18, 2018 12:42:52 GMT
My current pairing is borka pod and kolgrima sotn. Playing them in adr tomorrow at a big 2 day tournament. Kolgrima in sotn offers the most synergy for the northkin elder. The main weaknesses for this list are boosted sprays, fire damage and Mortality. Borka in pod does not really care about these problems.
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Post by Loader on May 18, 2018 13:21:33 GMT
My current pairing is borka pod and kolgrima sotn. Playing them in adr tomorrow at a big 2 day tournament. Kolgrima in sotn offers the most synergy for the northkin elder. The main weaknesses for this list are boosted sprays, fire damage and Mortality. Borka in pod does not really care about these problems. That's true. Yeah like I said kolgrima for me is for another day. Kolgrima does offer a lot of stone synergy, but isn't it maybe a little too much? Pow 14 sprays are cool, but +2 str can be just as good. I would die from (Qual der Wahl) too many choices
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Post by grimgor on May 18, 2018 13:25:48 GMT
I played Borka PoD at Italian master and finally i think it's better in SoTN. This was too difficult to drop him, and 2 times he gives me a list chicken. I think PoD is our worst theme now, because we don't have enough tools to score on scenario and handle units. Whelps are cool but gremlin swarm/manikins etc are so much better. Many lists with a large battlegroup in other factions have that like orboros/grimkin/CoC etc... Expect kolgrima because of her spray and mulg arcnode, i think she is our best list in PoD Actually
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Post by Trollock on May 18, 2018 13:55:21 GMT
I played Borka PoD at Italian master and finally i think it's better in SoTN. This was too difficult to drop him, and 2 times he gives me a list chicken. I think PoD is our worst theme now, because we don't have enough tools to score on scenario and handle units. Whelps are cool but gremlin swarm/manikins etc are so much better. Many lists with a large battlegroup in other factions have that like orboros/grimkin/CoC etc... Expect kolgrima because of her spray and mulg arcnode, i think she is our best list in PoD Actually but but but! we have runeshapers! [/sarcasm] XD
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Post by grimgor on May 18, 2018 19:51:45 GMT
I played Borka PoD at Italian master and finally i think it's better in SoTN. This was too difficult to drop him, and 2 times he gives me a list chicken. I think PoD is our worst theme now, because we don't have enough tools to score on scenario and handle units. Whelps are cool but gremlin swarm/manikins etc are so much better. Many lists with a large battlegroup in other factions have that like orboros/grimkin/CoC etc... Expect kolgrima because of her spray and mulg arcnode, i think she is our best list in PoD Actually but but but! we have runeshapers! [/sarcasm] XD I would love that they could have a up, they are again on the nerf they took because they were in our best theme in mk2
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Post by allinontrolls on Jun 9, 2018 10:44:39 GMT
I am going to use the tournament break to start testing a new list.
War Room Army
Trollblood - New Army
Theme: Storm of the North 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Pyre Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Troll Bouncer - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4)
Hearthgut Hooch Hauler - PC: 18
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0 Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North - PC: 0 Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Raiders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Northkin Elder - PC: 3
THEME: Storm of the North ---
GENERATED : 06/09/2018 12:36:06 BUILD ID : 2066.18-05-11
Some thoughts:
Battlegroup : I wanna play a small efficient battlegroup. Mauler as a heavy hitter. Pyre for his synergy with borka and the hh. The bouncer as a earth blessing option for borka a random shieldguard + scenario piece.
Units: double Bear's cause they are amazing. Northkin Raiders for jaming and work great with the hh. Fire eaters cause they are still one of our best point based units.
Hh is the MVP of the list so much synergy it's hard to count.
I will pair it with my kolgrima double champs sotn list.
Will test this list next week. I keep u updated.
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