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Post by Ajax on Jan 24, 2018 18:54:11 GMT
I also had a chance to play him this weekend at a tournament (albeit poorly). It's ridiculous how much personal output he can put out, especially with a Northkin Elder on deck. With SR2017 typically having LOS blocking terrain in the middle of the board (and that consisting of forests half the time), I was able to just absolutely own the middle of the board without fear of dying. Being able to walk 8" through forests, punch things on the other side, and then repo 3" back just feels great.
Highlight of the weekend was Borka just about 1 rounding a colossal (Prime Axiom). I think Borka2's quickly becoming my favorite caster, and I really want to start carving out his niche in a 2 list pairing.
What are you guys seeing as his main strength? Just existing as an extra Heavy? I typically look at casters as "questions" or "answers", but I'm not really sure that he truly fits either of these roles.
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Post by ikeda on Jan 24, 2018 20:23:28 GMT
Here are the two lists I'm deciding between:
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North
!!! Your army contains a CID entry.
(Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Pyre Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] Hearthgut Hooch Hauler [18]
OR Would 2 Mins be better than the Sorc? I think the Sorc adds some ability to deal with sheisty stuff.
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Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North
!!! Your army contains a CID entry.
(Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Pyre Troll [8] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Hearthgut Hooch Hauler [18]
Rok is a formidable difference but having a Unit of (possible magic weapon wielding) Raiders might swing a victory. I just don't know at this point which list I like better.
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Post by ninjapete on Jan 25, 2018 1:25:53 GMT
Here are the two lists I'm deciding between: Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North !!! Your army contains a CID entry. (Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Pyre Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] Hearthgut Hooch Hauler [18] OR Would 2 Mins be better than the Sorc? I think the Sorc adds some ability to deal with sheisty stuff. _____________________________________ Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North !!! Your army contains a CID entry. (Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Pyre Troll [8] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Hearthgut Hooch Hauler [18] Rok is a formidable difference but having a Unit of (possible magic weapon wielding) Raiders might swing a victory. I just don't know at this point which list I like better. That first list I would personally change one Mauler for an Earthborn and then upgrade the Feralgeist to a Gremlin Swarm.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 25, 2018 11:21:30 GMT
That sounds better to me too... Pathfinder is a thing
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Post by Ajax on Feb 2, 2018 19:56:52 GMT
At work, so no war room, but my list essentially is: Madrak Runebearer Mauler Bomber Max kriel stone + stone scribe ua Max kriel warriors Max champs + skaldi Max champs Min warders Fell caller Eilish If you're interested in the bearka list, I posted it prior to lvo in the right to bear arms thread. Any chance you can go over some of your games, as well as some battle reports from your successes at the LVO? Congrats on the 3rd place win! I'm running basically the same pairing as you, and I'd love to hear more about the strengths/weaknesses.
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Post by Loader on May 14, 2018 13:11:12 GMT
Hi guys! (sorry for thread necromancy)
Has anyone tried out the Longriders with Bearka? Right now I am looking for a good list to pair with my pretty generic Madrak1 BoH list and Bearka was recommended to me.
I played him quite a bit during the cid, but had to come to the conclusion that he was a little too much for me at the time. I still have a bit of problem when planing my turn. If there is something worthwhile that I see, I usually try to achieve it no matter what...this can leave to exposed Warlocks in this game.
But after getting familiar with the northkin models and generally with the games decisions I decided to give him another go.
I couldn't be happier. He usually does a ton of work and is a total blast to play. After only 2 games now, there is a thing I am wondering about with him though. Are the longrider are good choice for him? I tried him with the raiders, but had to make the experience that it can be quite troubling to get counter charge lanes when you have a bunch of medium bases clumped up before you. So I switched to Longriders. What do you think? Is this a viable choice? They were amazing in the last game I played, but this was mostly due to the fact that my opponent just couldn't crack their armor with a bunch of trencher commandos. On the other Hand if my opponents have to commit heavy hitters to crack them, these are vulnerable to the countercharge or the retaliation afterwards.
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Post by deviantcad on May 15, 2018 12:58:23 GMT
I don't think there is any loss for taking long riders. I do think you miss out if you don't take some kind of jamming unit though. With quick work the raiders are pretty good at clearing little things and with advanced deployment they can keep out of the way as well. Against good players you're just not going to be getting a lot of counter charges. I can normally set up one important counter charge with Bearka to help protect a heavy and anything more then that is a gift from an opponent.
Long riders are not bad, but they are costly point-wise so I think they really need some synergy to push them over the top into worth taking. Bearka doesn't really do much for them.
So I don't see anything wrong with taking them, but not a lot of reason to either. And they really aren't a replacement for what raiders do.
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Post by Loader on May 15, 2018 13:59:18 GMT
I don't think there is any loss for taking long riders. I do think you miss out if you don't take some kind of jamming unit though. With quick work the raiders are pretty good at clearing little things and with advanced deployment they can keep out of the way as well. Against good players you're just not going to be getting a lot of counter charges. I can normally set up one important counter charge with Bearka to help protect a heavy and anything more then that is a gift from an opponent. Long riders are not bad, but they are costly point-wise so I think they really need some synergy to push them over the top into worth taking. Bearka doesn't really do much for them. So I don't see anything wrong with taking them, but not a lot of reason to either. And they really aren't a replacement for what raiders do. 2 Mh what would you say is the Raiders job that the longrider can't do? Could fire eaters do the same job? I heard bearka loves himself a pyre troll Animus. War Room Army Trollblood - Northkin Heavy Punch Theme: Storm of the North 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 5 - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Pyre Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0 Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North - PC: 0 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Northkin Elder - PC: 3 Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr - Lynus & Edrea: 5 THEME: Storm of the North --- GENERATED : 05/15/2018 15:55:40 BUILD ID : 2065.18-05-07 Would you say this is a good list? There is a lot of support, but applied knowledge on Bearka could be interesting right?
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Post by Trollock on May 16, 2018 6:08:41 GMT
Loader Im not sold on applied knowledge on Borka in SotN. If i go in on something with Borka, i kill it. No need to snipe out spirit or something like that. POW 19 MAT 8 means he kills most heavies with incidental help from the rest of his army. I ended up with the following list: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0GiViRjoiUjq6Gj20li-iZiZezezj5Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North (Borka 2) Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Pyre Troll [8] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] The only change that has ever felt reasonable to the list is changing Rök for Mauler + Lanyssa. Every other case where i had tried changing something up, it just looks worse on paper. It is the only variant i have ever tried on the table though. I look at your list and i think that you are paying an AWFUL lot for that Bomber. It forces you to take Whelps, which only allows you 2 free solos, so you are basically paying 19+4+5=28 points for it. I LOVE the bomber, but by not taking him i can afford a full unit of raiders instead. I have a hard time justifying not playing 3 free solos in this case.
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Post by jarrow on May 16, 2018 7:06:17 GMT
I think mauler+lanyssa was what Chris have played and I have come to same conclusion. This is just "THE NET LIST" we have now, but it works. I have now played HHH in stead of Raiders (and min stone) and like it too, but it's different. Veteran leader is fantastic ability as well as stumbling drunk but lack of jammers make life some times hard.
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Post by Loader on May 16, 2018 9:31:17 GMT
Those lists both look pretty good! I wonder though if they handle armor well enough... Rök (mauler) and Borka definitely handle anything, but an ebdt with PS 17 (primal) could have trouble with some armor 20+ pieces right? And the fire eaters and raiders will struggle as well. Is Sotn just not suited for armor crack? Or would another caster be more efficient (calandra or Madrak2 for example?) I could also play the Borka2 list that banky played which ghosts around the forums all the time, but i usually have trouble with going beast heavy and i also just bought double bears (jippie )
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Post by grimgor on May 16, 2018 11:44:30 GMT
The list should struggle with armor cracking and mass sprays, borka doesn't do anything against that, i think about ossrum or CoC with their TEP. Bradigus with their beast arm 20 and 35 life points should be the same problem, what's your mind about this guys ? I don't think skarre 1 with all the stalkers/banes and the BE arm 27 (with darragh) is a good matchup too... And as i see madrak often paired with him; i don't think he is a good answer too into this matchups we are seeing a lot in the meta
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Post by Loader on May 16, 2018 14:08:43 GMT
The list should struggle with armor cracking and mass sprays, borka doesn't do anything against that, i think about ossrum or CoC with their TEP. Bradigus with their beast arm 20 and 35 life points should be the same problem, what's your mind about this guys ? I don't think skarre 1 with all the stalkers/banes and the BE arm 27 (with darragh) is a good matchup too... And as i see madrak often paired with him; i don't think he is a good answer too into this matchups we are seeing a lot in the meta This is exactly what I was wondering about as well. I think Bearka in PoD could be ok though, right? We are running around with armor 20 against sprays and the bradigus boxes and slayer spam should have trouble with Bearkas feat. Protecting the stone could be a problem. What else would our answer be against those lists? Madrak1 clearly struggles against them
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Post by chainsawx on May 16, 2018 16:20:36 GMT
The list should struggle with armor cracking and mass sprays, borka doesn't do anything against that, i think about ossrum or CoC with their TEP. Bradigus with their beast arm 20 and 35 life points should be the same problem, what's your mind about this guys ? I don't think skarre 1 with all the stalkers/banes and the BE arm 27 (with darragh) is a good matchup too... And as i see madrak often paired with him; i don't think he is a good answer too into this matchups we are seeing a lot in the meta Bearka and bears usually can kill heavies quite easily. Not to mention he also has Rok in the list. Playing against Khador jack spam or Bradigus spam like you mentioned might be hard, but otherwise I don't think the list worries too much about heavies.
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Post by danks on May 16, 2018 17:37:16 GMT
Borka in SotN will typically hard counter any battle group heavy lists as they generally lose effectively a full turn due to the feat. Bears are also really fantastic armor crackers, so between them, the mauler and bearka I don’t see these match ups concerning at all.
Also, in terms of the sprays/Coc/ossrum concerns. It’s not a fantastic match up, but with proper spacing, bearka is advantaged as long as you protect your Earthborn (bulldoze shenanigans). In fact I played ossrum 3 times over the course of grotscon and went 3-0 including the finals for both masters and champs.
Having played this version of the list for a while now (mauler/lanny as opposed to the rok version) I don’t think I’d ever change it... there’s just something about telling people your bears threat 16” from the side of the board that makes me laugh.
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