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Post by oncomingstorm on Jan 9, 2018 18:45:14 GMT
That's exactly what I was saying above. Think of BAHI models as Forgeworld models and you have the right idea. I.e. novelty models that aren't meant for mainstream consumption, but for collectors who are willing to pay extra for something big and special. Something for the display case, less for the table. So I understand why many WM fans are not really fans of BAHI - players tend to be far more interested in practical game models and not luxury display models that only few people have. However, if people keep buying them, then I guess PP will keep making them, same as GW kept making Forgeworld. The comparison doesn't hold. The models that Forgeworld made were very rarely part of the regular codexes, and even if they were GW's conversion policy allowed you to build your own and use them in official tournaments. Not so for the Hooch Hauler and Privateer Press. This, exactly. Especially when you add in that: - GW players are (at least IME) WAY more accepting of proxies and scratchbuilds than WMH players (seriously, I've seen WMH players throw a Female Dog fit over models that were clearly within the conversion guidelines) - GW games are way less competitively oriented. Not only does that mean that there are fewer/less restrictive tournaments, it also means that the players tend to care less about balance, competition, etc, and are likely to be more accepting of premium models that aren't necessarily universally affordable - GW models are 100% superior to PP models. The detail, customizability, and variety their models have is just in a different league from PP. I can see a hobbyist buying GW models just to paint them (hell, I've done it, and I'm way more gamer than hobbyist), while I cannot (typically) see many people doing the same thing with PP models. They've been getting better recently, but they're still not there. The Sea King was pushing it, but at least it was A) a gargantuan, and thus available in multiple themes, B) still substantially cheaper, especially after online retailers/sales are taken into account C) expensive in terms of points and D) not a very good model, so players could and did skip out on buying it.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jan 9, 2018 18:52:16 GMT
Forgeworld did release plenty of official rules for models that weren't in the game before. Eldar wasps come to mind, and back when tanks ruled the game it was the best thing to buy for twice the cost of their GW "counterparts" that didn't perform at the wasps level.
Here's the thing though. Forgeworld pieces are incredibly detailed and their resin is excellent so you did get more value for the money. I think PP beats GW and forgeworld when it comes to their metals (could be personal taste) but the plastics and resin just don't cut it in comparison. You can't charge forgeworld prices when not up to those standards.
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Post by welshhoppo on Jan 9, 2018 19:44:14 GMT
Looks like Godzilla is available for general sale, and he still has free shipping.
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Post by Ganso on Jan 9, 2018 19:57:07 GMT
and even if they were GW's conversion policy allowed you to build your own and use them in official tournaments. Not so for the Hooch Hauler and Privateer Press. You may want to re-read the updated conversion policy for WM/H
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Post by Cyel on Jan 9, 2018 20:01:33 GMT
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Post by bward on Jan 9, 2018 20:20:43 GMT
and even if they were GW's conversion policy allowed you to build your own and use them in official tournaments. Not so for the Hooch Hauler and Privateer Press. You may want to re-read the updated conversion policy for WM/H Yeah, I think you could build a legal hooch hauler if you combined battle bears and a war wagon and other bits
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Post by chillychinaman on Jan 9, 2018 20:25:23 GMT
You may want to re-read the updated conversion policy for WM/H Yeah, I think you could build a legal hooch hauler if you combined battle bears and a war wagon and other bits According to Amazon, $40+$70 and change for bits sounds reasonable next to the other non-modular huge bases.
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Post by mikethefish on Jan 9, 2018 20:25:44 GMT
and even if they were GW's conversion policy allowed you to build your own and use them in official tournaments. Not so for the Hooch Hauler and Privateer Press. You may want to re-read the updated conversion policy for WM/H Good lord, people are still confused about the conversion policy? This isn't 2013, people
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Post by welshhoppo on Jan 9, 2018 20:42:04 GMT
You may want to re-read the updated conversion policy for WM/H Good lord, people are still confused about the conversion policy? This isn't 2013, people Thats 5 years ago now. By the gods I feel old.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jan 9, 2018 21:48:41 GMT
Looks like Godzilla is available for general sale, and he still has free shipping. And his price didn't change as some in the thread speculated it might store.privateerpress.com/dracodile
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Post by welshhoppo on Jan 9, 2018 22:03:22 GMT
That's not too bad.
Now if there was only a way to get around import charges.
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Post by wishing on Jan 9, 2018 23:29:13 GMT
wishing The issue is, when you make those “collectors models” a main part of a theme, or a warcaster, or a factions only gargantuan, then suddenly it’s not like forgeworld. It’s now just a lame sub-section of the company relegated to making big expensive models and feels like a way to make a few extra dollars. I’m not saying “PP is evil” I’m saying using the forgeworld excuse doesn’t apply To warmahordes like it does to 40K. Well, to me the FW comparison wasn't meant as an excuse. You can totally say that Forgeworld is a lame sub-section of the company relegated to making expensive models. I'm not comparing in order to make BAHI seem more positively in any way. Loads of GW fans hated FW, as far as I could tell. I agree that there are lots of differences, as people point out, most fundamentally just that GW and PP make very different types of games. I think what can be gained from the comparison is some sort of idea about PP's reasoning behind BAHI? I presume that if someone were to ask them why they started making such ridiculously expensive models via a special label, they would answer that it's because they want to make beautiful and huge models, they feel like there is a market for them, and that's what it costs to make models like that. Basically the same kind of answer that GW would give about FW.
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Post by Ganso on Jan 10, 2018 0:17:03 GMT
Picture of all the parts for the Triple-H, didn't bother counting them
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Post by Haight on Jan 10, 2018 0:46:00 GMT
Ganso, nothing showing in your post.
Reports have it at 52-54 though from everything i've seen. It's an intricate model for sure.
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Post by Ganso on Jan 10, 2018 0:51:27 GMT
lol, thanks for the headsup.
here's the link to the tweet
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