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Post by galrohir on Oct 25, 2017 22:32:06 GMT
I believe not yet. So far it seems the rules/cards are only in the box set, but PP said they'd be available online "later".
EDIT: Seems Rowdy beat me to it. Where can we find 'em then?
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Post by Lanz on Oct 25, 2017 22:32:46 GMT
Are the rules and cards available online anywhere to see if the game even looks interesting before buying into it? Rules and cards are available online. Google returns nothing. Link?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Oct 25, 2017 22:35:25 GMT
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Post by Aries on Oct 25, 2017 23:36:27 GMT
Thanks fr the link, and the cards, or just some info about them would be very appreciated. Just promise you won't charge us for half a dollar per each card.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Oct 25, 2017 23:53:21 GMT
Yeah, I looked at the "Free" sample cards on war room, and they are regular o'l cards and don't even link to the COI rules. It's not some massive effort.
Anyway Il link up the cards when possible.
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 26, 2017 0:23:24 GMT
Those prices are ridiculous. War Room is already stupidly overpriced for an app. Somehow getting a tiny handful of stats for a faction deck is worth another 50% of the normal price. It's not really overpriced at all. This is instead of buying a theoretical $50+ rulebook and then a $30-50 faction book for each faction. Plus it comes with in-built rules reference, list building and storage, and it comes with any new releases for the life of the edition included. It's much cheaper than the alternative, PP charging $8 a faction is very reasonable for all the work it takes to maintain the app.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Oct 26, 2017 3:27:40 GMT
Those prices are ridiculous. War Room is already stupidly overpriced for an app. Somehow getting a tiny handful of stats for a faction deck is worth another 50% of the normal price. It's not really overpriced at all. This is instead of buying a theoretical $50+ rulebook and then a $30-50 faction book for each faction. Plus it comes with in-built rules reference, list building and storage, and it comes with any new releases for the life of the edition included. It's much cheaper than the alternative, PP charging $8 a faction is very reasonable for all the work it takes to maintain the app. The rules and cards are free. Online. Legally. PP needs to rethink War Room pricing. They used to be able to sell decks on it because it WAS a cheaper alternative. Now it's completely overpriced. The full package is $60-100, and the only benefits over just downloading pdfs is conveniant list building and damage tracking on one app. And $20 (!) For COI stats is also ridiculous because some time in the future, COI cards will be available for free as well because they need to sell COI stuff. It's a cashgrab. You can throw money at PP for rules that should be free, but you won't convince me it's worthwhile.
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Post by sgregorbmmd on Oct 26, 2017 4:16:02 GMT
They're covering the development costs for the War Room update. Does it suck to pay money for things that are free elsewhere? Yeah, but we're paying for convenience. Conflict Chamber will catch up before long and there are tons of ways to access the cards for free in the meantime.
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Post by elladan52 on Oct 26, 2017 4:18:38 GMT
Cashgrab is so incredibly overused. What's so negative about PP trying to sell a game they spent time developing? I mean really. They release the rules and cards for free in a very accessible format, and then they charge for them in another, and people call it a cash grab. IF THEY WANTED TO GRAB YOUR CASH THEY WOULD NOT BE RELEASING IT ALL FOR FREE.
Geez people. The entitlement level in here is off the charts.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Oct 26, 2017 4:37:35 GMT
Geez people. The entitlement level in here is off the charts. It's implementation. It's not updated cards or changed cards, or changed mechanics, or any changed programming. Its the exact same cards that you own before, you're just ALLOWED to use them in a different layout. For 3 bucks sure. But 3 bucks for every card deck you owned before you have to be kidding me.
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Post by Aegis on Oct 26, 2017 6:02:37 GMT
Geez people. The entitlement level in here is off the charts. It's implementation. It's not updated cards or changed cards, or changed mechanics, or any changed programming. Its the exact same cards that you own before, you're just ALLOWED to use them in a different layout. For 3 bucks sure. But 3 bucks for every card deck you owned before you have to be kidding me. Yeah. If they did something like 5$ to let you use the COI mode with all the decks you own it would be fine. Making you repurchase it deck by deck, expecially in a game supposed to be used to make people tip into different factions with the excuse of the small investment needed seems like a cashgrab. I'm totally fine for them to make me pay for the new features they developed (the COI rules and COI-mode Warroom infrastructure), I'm not fine paying again for cards that I already payd for, and that are supposed to remain at 99% identical to the ones of Warmachine I already own.
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Post by Lanz on Oct 26, 2017 7:18:47 GMT
Cashgrab is so incredibly overused. What's so negative about PP trying to sell a game they spent time developing? I mean really. They release the rules and cards for free in a very accessible format, and then they charge for them in another, and people call it a cash grab. IF THEY WANTED TO GRAB YOUR CASH THEY WOULD NOT BE RELEASING IT ALL FOR FREE. Geez people. The entitlement level in here is off the charts. Thr war room price is the problem, not the product itself. They want to sell a boxed set with models for $100 bucks? Sure, that's a full-inclusion stand-alone game. They want to sell the cards+rulebook for $15? Sure, that's a tangible product that you're paying for, and gives you actual playing tools that will be more comfortable to use. But to charge players for the 'convenience'(I use that term very loosely) of having it in war room when the rules will be online for free anyways? That's nonsense. War Room has always been scummy since it's inception. Already owned the cards? Too bad, buy them again, but don't worry it's a one-time cost! New edition? Fine-print, motherFiretruckers, pay it again. And now after not mentioning anything about a war room price the entire time they were working on COI, they want everyone to buy whole decks AGAIN in war room. It's slimy.
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Post by haraldtorvatn on Oct 26, 2017 9:07:16 GMT
I can understand a "I dont want to buy this" reaction.
What I dont understand is the "This is GW Level evil/Slimy/Bs" comments.
I hope this game is good. If it is, it is because some effort has been made while making it. If PP has made some effort, they need to get their Money back. Since they cant get their Money back form most of us by making us buy miniatures (which I Guess is their normal way to get Money) they have to get it in oanother way.
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Post by Fire Step on Oct 26, 2017 9:38:35 GMT
I can understand a "I dont want to buy this" reaction. What I dont understand is the "This is GW Level evil/Slimy/Bs" comments. I hope this game is good. If it is, it is because some effort has been made while making it. If PP has made some effort, they need to get their Money back. Since they cant get their Money back form most of us by making us buy miniatures (which I Guess is their normal way to get Money) they have to get it in oanother way. Agreed. It's a really strange kick back. It costs more to get a Costa than to grab the faction decks, in fact it costs more to buy a minn unit of kossites than it does to buy the full deck, yet the deck is going to serve me 1000% better than the kossites will.
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Post by jonnyboy on Oct 26, 2017 11:33:42 GMT
This seems to be spiralling downwards fairly quickly. I have to agree that the entitlement here is way too much.
First off, $60-100 dollars for the 'full package'. Well if we're doing that, why not complain that warmachines entire range is upwards of $2000!
No, we need perspective. A faction deck is $9, the COI deck is $3. A faction deck of cards was $20. Whoever said that warroom is more expensive now is wrong. Would you like to buy all 12 factions? Now you're comparing $85 to $240.
The barrier to entry is $0! No one is asking you to pay for cards or rules. What is being asked is that you pay a minimal amount, $12 dollars to use their app.
But what if you want all the cards! Do you really play 12 factions? Then $85 dollars is the least of your spending. Do you have the internet, access to battle college, privateer presses website, friends to share with? Then use the many free routes to check out other armies if that's your desire.
Are we really complaining about $3! That's jist ludicrous and this thread is going nowhere.
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