Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Apr 22, 2017 18:48:03 GMT
www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/22/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-your-questions-answered/This was released today. Since we had talked about the notion of GW's sincerity(read: trust issues), this particular line seems relevant: " Why should I trust you?Come on! This is New Games Workshop™" While tongue-in-cheek, it does infer that GW is fully aware that their past actions have created a trust issue with their players. I would venture to say that's not a very common thing to admit, despite how often it happens for a lot of companies.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Apr 22, 2017 20:44:17 GMT
Agreed.
I read their FAQ. I'll keep my expectations appropriately low (near the bottom) and hope that I am pleasantly surprised when I read through the free rules.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Apr 24, 2017 19:51:44 GMT
www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/22/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-your-questions-answered/This was released today. Since we had talked about the notion of GW's sincerity(read: trust issues), this particular line seems relevant: " Why should I trust you?Come on! This is New Games Workshop™" While tongue-in-cheek, it does infer that GW is fully aware that their past actions have created a trust issue with their players. I would venture to say that's not a very common thing to admit, despite how often it happens for a lot of companies. That jumped out at me as well. Only time will tell, I suppose.
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Post by ratrek on Apr 24, 2017 20:51:00 GMT
www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/22/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-your-questions-answered/This was released today. Since we had talked about the notion of GW's sincerity(read: trust issues), this particular line seems relevant: " Why should I trust you?Come on! This is New Games Workshop™" While tongue-in-cheek, it does infer that GW is fully aware that their past actions have created a trust issue with their players. I would venture to say that's not a very common thing to admit, despite how often it happens for a lot of companies. Did you see they're also putting their money where their mouth is this time? On the Live stream this morning they accounced that anyone who bought a 40k Codex in a past 8 weeks can return it for a full refund. Details are going to go up on their Facebook page. I admit to being A: Impressed B: Irritated the same didn't happen with the End Times books. But that's why Kirby's not calling these shots anymore eh.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Apr 25, 2017 0:43:24 GMT
I didn't see that, no. That's a good gesture to the players. I actually know someone who will benefit from that who was huffed about that specific issue when they announced that codexes would become obsolete.
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Post by Jabberwokk on Apr 25, 2017 16:06:56 GMT
The Q&A Was legit amazeballs. The fact that they are going to make an interactive forums when PP just axed theirs as well is getting feedback from established credible tournament organizers/players like frontline would have my marketing department refining their resumes. Both the FAQ and the Q&A felt like GW finally pulled their head out of their ass finally. It felt Human, Honest, and Humble 180 Degrees away from we commonly got out of GW. Good luck with your sanitized new player friendly push PP when the Titan has awoken from it's slumber.
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Post by cainuslupus on Apr 25, 2017 16:27:27 GMT
GW would've probably never gone bankrupt, it has too many valuable IP's. It'd be bought out by Hasbro long before hitting rock bottom. Many people believed that selling GW was the end goal, because their moves made no sense long term. It seems it was just their upper management idiocy (or hubris).
By giving customers what they wan't and keeping people happy with products you will generally do well in the market. It's not some kind of insidious plot, just good bussiness practices. If they wan't to make money by bringing people what they want (and not what they believe will bring them more revenue) than no one loses, right (*looking inside my gigantic "SW:A" box with tons of goodies*)?
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Xarlaxas
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Post by Xarlaxas on Apr 25, 2017 17:18:26 GMT
Did you see they're also putting their money where their mouth is this time? On the Live stream this morning they accounced that anyone who bought a 40k Codex in a past 8 weeks can return it for a full refund. Details are going to go up on their Facebook page. I admit to being A: Impressed B: Irritated the same didn't happen with the End Times books. But that's why Kirby's not calling these shots anymore eh. It's actually even better than that: So, you get to keep your copies of the books you've bought in the past 8 weeks, and you get vouchers! www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/24/just-bought-a-codex-dont-worry-weve-got-you-covered/The Q&A that they did on Facebook mentioned that that has been the case for the past couple of rule changes, but they hadn't advertised it previously. Another thing about the Q&A that I thought was pretty hilarious was when some people had been asking exactly how long the testing has been going on for, and they dodged every time, I think that they're aware of #3yearsoftesting or whatever it was that PP claimed. . . . Love the idea of having a forum to provide direct feedback from, and the fact that they explicitly mentioned "yeah, we listen to your podcasts, and read your forums to see what people are saying."
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Post by cainuslupus on Apr 25, 2017 18:16:30 GMT
Actually I've heard they've started to playtest AoS using different playergroups with competitive players more than a year ago, 8-th edition is of 40K is even longer in the works.
#3yearsoftesting and generally hashtag marketing (which was plainly bad) bite PP in the ass because they've released game balanced around Theme Forces and completelly new Steamroller without Theme Forces and new Steamroler, and than released some very specialized Themes rather that actualy good ones. As a Legion player I felt gimped until Oracles came. Now suddenly I can built list that isn't reliant on assassination. Also - new SR2017 and terrain rules make stuff like Pathfinder and Flight worth its points. In other words - they've made us play almoust a year with half finished product. That couldn't end well.
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Post by cybrid on May 1, 2017 11:54:43 GMT
After the whole shit show that was the desert hydra I am not buying another PP model. The prices are no longer cheaper than GW and their quality is decades behind. Hopefully PP gets their shit together on the modeling side.
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Xarlaxas
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Post by Xarlaxas on May 1, 2017 15:17:42 GMT
Soooooo, it's May now. . . . Where are the GW products?
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on May 1, 2017 23:10:17 GMT
I'd give them a few days. Their tabletop minis menu has a few empty tabs. Probably have to get everything ready.
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on May 1, 2017 23:11:54 GMT
After the whole shit show that was the desert hydra I am not buying another PP model. The prices are no longer cheaper than GW and their quality is decades behind. Hopefully PP gets their shit together on the modeling side. That model looks like everything needs to be painted separately before being glued together. I've heard horror stories. I think decades is an exaggeration, but I agree it needs to be better for the price. We need hard plastic and more than three poses per unit.
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Post by zerodaimaru on May 2, 2017 13:05:18 GMT
After the whole shit show that was the desert hydra I am not buying another PP model. The prices are no longer cheaper than GW and their quality is decades behind. Hopefully PP gets their shit together on the modeling side. That model looks like everything needs to be painted separately before being glued together. I've heard horror stories. I think decades is an exaggeration, but I agree it needs to be better for the price. We need hard plastic and more than three poses per unit. My biggest problem with the Hydra wasn't even the mushy details (though that is still a big problem). It was PPs reaction to it which boils down to "Ya were not interested in fixing it, maybe you could do the job of sculpting this premium priced model for us".
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Post by cybrid on May 2, 2017 23:54:44 GMT
That model looks like everything needs to be painted separately before being glued together. I've heard horror stories. I think decades is an exaggeration, but I agree it needs to be better for the price. We need hard plastic and more than three poses per unit. My biggest problem with the Hydra wasn't even the mushy details (though that is still a big problem). It was PPs reaction to it which boils down to "Ya were not interested in fixing it, maybe you could do the job of sculpting this premium priced model for us". Pretty much this I am willing to spend good money on models that are not the best quality because the game is great. I'm no stranger to the hobby I know there is going to be a bit of wet work that needs to be done when building models I am willing to accept that as well. However, I am not willing to support a company that sells a defective product and then doesn't do anything about it. GW had finecast for a while but even with those I was able to return miscast models and get a refund or a new one.
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