wishing
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Post by wishing on Apr 5, 2017 8:23:02 GMT
I bought Gorechosen, personally, and look forward to trying it out some day. I love the whole Realm of Chaos flavour to it, the board is beautiful, and the models are really nice.
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Post by Morganstern on Apr 5, 2017 8:38:36 GMT
This is quite a presumptive statement. Lots of people like GW (myself included). It's one of the reasons why they are still #1. I know many people who enjoy there games and their models are second to none. As for new releases I think GW have been knocking it out of the park lately, while PP have been very average. I also don't understand the presumption that if you like one system then you can't like any others. It's like people who think you can only like Star Wars or Star trek, and if you like both then you are not really a fan of either. Play what you like and don't let anyone else tell you you are wrong for doing so.
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wishing
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Post by wishing on Apr 5, 2017 8:47:53 GMT
I do think that GW are #1 because they were the original creators of the hobby as we know it, not really because of quality. I think that the game-rule side of their products is... not exactly strong. But I think that most people get into this hobby not because of rules, but because of the fun of collecting models. And GW's models are, in my opinion and that of many others I feel, really stellar in terms of look, style, and ease of assembly. PP's models and IP are in a much weaker league, even though their game is more solid than GW's tend to be.
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Post by Haight on Apr 5, 2017 11:04:41 GMT
This is quite a presumptive statement. Lots of people like GW (myself included). It's one of the reasons why they are still #1. I know many people who enjoy there games and their models are second to none. As for new releases I think GW have been knocking it out of the park lately, while PP have been very average. I also don't understand the presumption that if you like one system then you can't like any others. It's like people who think you can only like Star Wars or Star trek, and if you like both then you are not really a fan of either. Play what you like and don't let anyone else tell you you are wrong for doing so. I wish i could like a post more than once. Play what you like, and don't criticize others for what they like to play.
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Post by elladan52 on Apr 5, 2017 13:02:50 GMT
Yeah...looking for moral high ground because of the game someone plays... very mature. Makes all those powergamers who rely on their OP netlists to carry the day squirm and cry
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Post by copperflame on Apr 5, 2017 14:15:30 GMT
Makes sense - like I said, I like the WH40K stuff even today but I got burned bad enough that I don't have an interest unless the cost truly low enough (and or I can barter off some of the extras hobby stuff I have now).
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Post by didder on Apr 5, 2017 14:28:50 GMT
I got really into 40K for a couple years. I found that a shockingly high ratio of games became intensely one-sided almost immediately, if not at list or even army selection. Just my opinion, but it would take a monumental amount of change before I go back, though I'd like to claim I never will. Never say never I guess.
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Post by lawbringer on Apr 5, 2017 18:02:33 GMT
At least in the UK, the reason Games Workshop is still so popular despite being so reviled is because in a hobby as expensive as wargaming, they are simply - and perhaps quite rightly - worried about the prospect of moving over to a game that they may find no games for. The advantage that GW has is that they are, for the vast, vast majority of people the very first wargame they get into. Aside from maybe some rural areas, you are going to be able to play a Games Workshop game against other people. If there is a GW store locally, you're going to find players for it. In other countries where LFGS' are more prominent this is less so the case, but there is still a holdover from back in the 90's/early 2000's when GW was pretty much the only major player around.
Wargaming is very much a hobby where you need a community revolving around it, but it's also very expensive to shift over to other games. No other wargame has dedicated stores exclusive to its product either (unless you live near FFG's HQ I guess). Go onto any forum dedicated to GW products and the amount of (justified in many cases) vitriol towards their own game is immense... but they play it anyway, because it's the only game anybody will play. It's a vicious cycle really; nobody wants to risk trying a new game so they stick to GW, so then the next guy sees all his mate's are sticking with GW so he avoids it also, and so on and so forth.
Ironically, WHFB being killed was one of the healthiest things to happen to wargaming as a whole because for so many people having their game completely ripped out from under them was too much of a straw for the camel's back to take anymore and went looking elsewhere.
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Post by Xintas on Apr 5, 2017 18:59:43 GMT
This is quite a presumptive statement. Lots of people like GW (myself included). It's one of the reasons why they are still #1. I know many people who enjoy there games and their models are second to none. As for new releases I think GW have been knocking it out of the park lately, while PP have been very average. I also don't understand the presumption that if you like one system then you can't like any others. It's like people who think you can only like Star Wars or Star trek, and if you like both then you are not really a fan of either. Play what you like and don't let anyone else tell you you are wrong for doing so. I don't think the more level heads are suggesting that literally no one likes it. I know a lot of people who do! I know a lot of people who like MtG as well. That doesn't stop it from being a bad ruleset that happened to be at the front of the line when it came time to "start" this portion of the hobby.
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Post by pangurban on Apr 5, 2017 19:55:40 GMT
This is quite a presumptive statement. Lots of people like GW (myself included). It's one of the reasons why they are still #1. I know many people who enjoy there games and their models are second to none. As for new releases I think GW have been knocking it out of the park lately, while PP have been very average. I also don't understand the presumption that if you like one system then you can't like any others. It's like people who think you can only like Star Wars or Star trek, and if you like both then you are not really a fan of either. Play what you like and don't let anyone else tell you you are wrong for doing so. I don't think the more level heads are suggesting that literally no one likes it. I know a lot of people who do! I know a lot of people who like MtG as well. That doesn't stop it from being a bad ruleset that happened to be at the front of the line when it came time to "start" this portion of the hobby. A bad ruleset that was nonetheless good enough at the time. GW could afford to coast on their early success for a long time, is all. I'm an avid board gamer as well: board games that are considered well-designed classics I loved playing 10-15-20 years ago have been revealed to have significant flaws simply because board game design has evolved and grown (and what was popular then often isn't what's popular now). Without all the things I picked up since getting in the way, I enjoyed those games immensely. The same can be said for RPGs and video games too.
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Post by HeadHunter on Apr 6, 2017 3:57:20 GMT
Yeah...looking for moral high ground because of the game someone plays... very mature. I'm not taking a moral high ground, or looking down on anyone for playing a different game, merely explaining why volume does not necessarily equate to quality. Personally I think GW's models are great, but let's not conflate that with their business practices over the last couple of decades. Please make sure you understand the point before jumping to conclusions.
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wishing
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Post by wishing on Apr 6, 2017 8:07:25 GMT
Wargaming is very much a hobby where you need a community revolving around it Interesting point. I don't think I agree, although I guess it depends how you mean. But some of my best and most rewarding wargaming experiences have been with me and my friend. Just us. Playing a game that we made together. Nobody else knows about it, no community. Just two guys being creative and having loads of fun. Kitchen table gaming is a thing, and is awesome. Why do you need a community to enjoy wargaming?
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Post by spideredd on Apr 6, 2017 9:08:16 GMT
Wargaming is very much a hobby where you need a community revolving around it Interesting point. I don't think I agree, although I guess it depends how you mean. But some of my best and most rewarding wargaming experiences have been with me and my friend. Just us. Playing a game that we made together. Nobody else knows about it, no community. Just two guys being creative and having loads of fun. Kitchen table gaming is a thing, and is awesome. Why do you need a community to enjoy wargaming? A variety of opponents brings a variety of factions, army lists and play styles. I've found that you can only get so good against a single opponent (or a small group of opponents). But I have also had great fun against the opponents that I have.
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wishing
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Post by wishing on Apr 6, 2017 9:22:19 GMT
A variety of opponents brings a variety of factions, army lists and play styles. I've found that you can only get so good against a single opponent (or a small group of opponents). My point was more that you can have lots of fun with this hobby without any need to "get good". If you just play with your roommates or your kids, you don't need to think in tournaments or rankings. I think lots of the people that buy GW and PP products treat miniature games more like model railroading - the point is in the creativity, not competitive gaming.
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Post by spideredd on Apr 6, 2017 10:03:50 GMT
A variety of opponents brings a variety of factions, army lists and play styles. I've found that you can only get so good against a single opponent (or a small group of opponents). My point was more that you can have lots of fun with this hobby without any need to "get good". If you just play with your roommates or your kids, you don't need to think in tournaments or rankings. I think lots of the people that buy GW and PP products treat miniature games more like model railroading - the point is in the creativity, not competitive gaming. True. The one point I didn't raise is that it can be boring to always be exposed to the same game-plan/play-style/faction over and over. Ultimately though, there is no right way to enjoy this hobby. If you enjoy playing one or two people, go for it. If you're competitive, then you're not wrong either.
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