Lanz
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Post by Lanz on May 7, 2017 20:08:54 GMT
Two of those were wins and the last one was a very silly turn one death to Rahn. I moved two out of my deployment and died. Have Bracer on Abby next time. This right here is why I like the blightbringer in this list. Bracer the BB, have the army snuggle up against it. Abby2 hides behind it, BB pops anti-magic aura. Only way to get an arc node into position on abby2 directly is to get it PAST the BB because the bubble stops channeling as well. So no magic unless you can get an arc node past a 15" bubble alive, and bracer protects everything else since it's on a large enough model for several models to be protected by it. Since it's a gun-heavy list, mowing down the arc node if it gets close isn't hard, and with all you can do to make its job more difficult, it's way harder to get one into position decisively. And even if they pull it off and land a TK on her to pull her out of the bracer, it's even harder to use anything else on her due to all the blocked LOS, other immovable models, and anti-magic effect.
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Post by yourmumrang on May 8, 2017 6:14:55 GMT
Will definitely be doing some testing
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newsun
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Post by newsun on May 8, 2017 20:45:02 GMT
What was the specific list you took? Did you face any heavy armor skews?
I've also suffered the long range tk death, though I have an idea how to get around it a bit in the future.
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Post by yourmumrang on May 8, 2017 20:55:15 GMT
Well Bracer in Abby would be a start...
Abby2 Proteus Ravagore x4 Naga Forsaken x2 Hellion x2
Played into Butcher3 with jacks, Harkevich, Titan spam and it can crack so long as you start focus firing heavies early.
I would skew over to a flank to buy me time.
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newsun
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Post by newsun on May 8, 2017 21:26:07 GMT
What about an AA instead of 2 Ravagores? It's slightly less pow, though often more shots. Also it beats harder in melee and can block for Abby.
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Post by Cheesebeard on May 8, 2017 21:49:51 GMT
What about an AA instead of 2 Ravagores? It's slightly less pow, though often more shots. Also it beats harder in melee and can block for Abby. I think it's a good option that doesn't deteriorate the goal of the list [too much]. Its guns are pretty lackluster, unfortunately, but it does provide some LoS cover and a Massive model to anchor with Absylonia. It would lessen the impact of her feat a bit, but I feel like its non-feat power more than makes up for it. Its gun is pretty terrible, though... It's less RNG, less POW, less AOE, and doesn't leave a Scather. It could get a few more shots, but that's unreliable. I've always thought the Archangel's ranged presence could really use some work – it's one of the worst in that category, and it's a bloody dragon ffs...
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on May 8, 2017 22:06:18 GMT
What about an AA instead of 2 Ravagores? It's slightly less pow, though often more shots. Also it beats harder in melee and can block for Abby. I think it's a good option that doesn't deteriorate the goal of the list [too much]. Its guns are pretty lackluster, unfortunately, but it does provide some LoS cover and a Massive model to anchor with Absylonia. It would lessen the impact of her feat a bit, but I feel like its non-feat power more than makes up for it. Its gun is pretty terrible, though... It's less RNG, less POW, less AOE, and doesn't leave a Scather. It could get a few more shots, but that's unreliable. I've always thought the Archangel's ranged presence could really use some work – it's one of the worst in that category, and it's a bloody dragon ffs... The problem with the archangel is that it needs room to skirmish around, so it's harder to have it front and center and commited to fighting, and harder to have it blocking for the warlock because it's going to inevitably need space around it. Also, it makes spreading Bracer's anti-movement perks around much harder for the same reason, and yet it's a huge expensive model that will get gunned down if it doesn't have bracer.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on May 8, 2017 22:12:36 GMT
What about an AA instead of 2 Ravagores? It's slightly less pow, though often more shots. Also it beats harder in melee and can block for Abby. Smaller AOE, no scather and more vulnerable than a pair of Ravagores.
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Post by yourmumrang on May 9, 2017 14:46:56 GMT
No to an AA. The list is moderately resilient to guns simple because of having so many beasts and due to Psychosurgery they need to commit most of their guns into one Rav to down it completely.
Many games I would lose or almost lose one Rav and this is fine. They can blow an AA off just as easily so this is bad.
And the range on the AA is way too low. One of the strengths of the list I found was that opponents were really respecting my range and I was able to keep them back in early turns as they didn't want to face the shooting. The AA dilutes this.
Will be testing the Blightbringer though as I think having that slightly higher pow will be good as well as a larger aoe magical shot with Wraithbane can be good into stuff like Cryx Pirates.
We shall see..
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Post by yourmumrang on May 9, 2017 14:47:58 GMT
Loss of a pair of Scathers is a bit worrying though as I was able to control the movement of armies with one unit quite well by just lobbing shots at them turn 2...
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Post by yourmumrang on May 23, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
Blightbringer no. Needed more activations.
Latest version of the list for testing:
Abby2 Effigy Proteus Ravagore x3 Seraph Naga Shredder Spell Martyr Forsaken x2 Hellion x2
The full threat on Proteus is really scary for people and I had situations where I had killed everything I could and still had a Ravagore to go so hoping that a Seraph and Shredder can offer more flexibility but also hit hard as a pair if need be.
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simon
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Post by simon on Jun 1, 2017 2:28:56 GMT
Played
Abby2 - Oracles - Proteus - Naga - Ravagore x4 - Succubus (free) Sorceress on Hellion (free) Forsaken x2 (free)
It did well in the only matchup I played it into.
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Post by yourmumrang on Jun 1, 2017 9:37:53 GMT
That is the version I was playing until just now. Seraph just opens up so many options....
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jun 1, 2017 23:28:29 GMT
That is the version I was playing until just now. Seraph just opens up so many options.... I like the way you think. I was toying around with running Abby with 5 Ravagores and a Naga, but the Seraph is definitely the right thing to include.
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Post by yourmumrang on Jun 2, 2017 10:56:33 GMT
I have found that for melee damage on feat turn, the Seraph/Shredder tag team gets about the same amount of work done...
Plus we all know how good slipstream is.
For instance last night I played into Debby with the list. He left Proteus alone saying "well he can't see around that forest..."
One lateral slip later and Proteus is in combat pulling other jacks in range of my other Ravs. I rolled a lot of double ones for damage so that plan failed but....
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