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Post by Cryptix on Mar 14, 2017 19:51:43 GMT
BBcode tab. USE IT.
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Post by ware86 on Mar 14, 2017 19:53:26 GMT
Has undead as a rule any rules ? Have no idea why it is still printed on the cards. Yea it is a little sad if the only thing you're looking forward to is a CID, i can find no confirmation for . But in the worst case we will get a Bane theme and a Jack theme or something. (not sure i would like jack themes feels like our "unique" jacks are the only ones i really want to play). Now the task will be to find a way to like themes. Maybe there is light at the end so i don't have to sell my stuff. I assume Undead is so rules that affect living models (snack, soul taker) don't proc on them. I agree, as far as jacks go. I take deathrippers and character jacks. the rest are meh. Lol true completely forgot that interaction. To my defence if someone would read a text about an effect that would only be on living, i would never have searched on my banes for something that proofs that they are not living. But that's why i always loved this game, it was pedantic enough, so there would be no arguing
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Post by darkshroud on Mar 14, 2017 19:53:54 GMT
i said earlier that someone made a good skarre1 list with blackbanes and wraith engines. that gets them across the board with no blast damage and +2 arm and recursion and incorporeal but it seems like they arent your cup of tea either. I'am not at the top of the meta right now but i doubt you could play it into Menoth for example. There always had been many magical weapons in many great lists and in a normal tournament environment you can't dodge matchups. that list looks funny but I, like many others probably, don't own a WE and most of us don't want to buy new stuff with all those models we own being bad. As the "powergamer" i'am accused of, i just never wanted to spend 80$ on a model that was one of the worst in the game and not even liked from a visual standpoint. I just want to warn people, that want to buy that list because someone had success with it at a team tournament, please proxy it first! yep, im with you 100% i never bought more than one bane knight unit in mk2. didnt want to touch skarre1 or gaspy2. i wont be buying 2 WEs. but i might buy one and try it with blackbanes on a flank. that makes your opponent dedicate the thing that has magic to that side of the board. what if they dont have magic weapons? and i agree with you about proxying it first. i feel sad for all those scarsfells...or along that same note, if its obvious, dont bother...mad dogs was going to get nerfd. it was just time that una 2 would. im expecting the cygnar cavs to get something...
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Post by darkshroud on Mar 14, 2017 19:55:59 GMT
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Post by ware86 on Mar 14, 2017 20:03:48 GMT
Can't count how often i tried Blackbanes because i thought that (in MK2) and still, aside from legion, everyone could get magical weapons or had them somewhere/somehow and after legion got its Naga i tried it even less. ^^ Until Horseshade of course. Not sure Blackbanes always had problems winning any 1 on 1 on flanks. If you only want to contest with something and angry your opponent with incorporeal i would simply use Machine wraiths. Can't say anything about that single WE you have to try it i guess . Without a +5/+5 feat i just don't think it is any good.
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Post by darkshroud on Mar 14, 2017 20:09:53 GMT
Can't count how often i tried Blackbanes because i thought that (in MK2) and still, aside from legion, everyone could get magical weapons or had them somewhere/somehow and after legion got its Naga i tried it even less. ^^ Until Horseshade of course. Not sure Blackbanes always had problems winning any 1 on 1 on flanks. If you only want to contest with something and angry your opponent with incorporeal i would simply use Machine wraiths. Can't say anything about that single WE you have to try it i guess . Without a +5/+5 feat i just don't think it is any good. yep. i agree with all this. i found they, blackbanes, dont really hit all that hard and hope that they apply fire before they die. i guess with parasite thats 2 pow 15 hits. but then they have to hit first. id agree that they pretty much need denny1, skarre1 or shade3 with darkshroud somewhere and rust from gorman.
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Post by schostoppa1 on Mar 14, 2017 20:21:32 GMT
If i remember correctly bane theme should be CID. I remember making a comment on the old forums when Ghost Fleet first got released about how i would be frustrated if the Theme just gives back all the bane goodies without avtually foxing banes. I forgot which PP staffer it was but they chimed in and shut me up by saying all models in a tlheme would be looked at prior to release of the theme. Atleast thats how i understood my verbal ass whoopin. haha.
I think thr proof of concept for that line of thoight is that both the pirates and the wraith engine both saw point reductions in an errata prior to the theme drop.
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Post by ware86 on Mar 14, 2017 20:26:02 GMT
Would only mean we will see them in CID, if that theme is not already done.
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Post by sideshowlucifer on Mar 14, 2017 20:44:52 GMT
I just think Ghost Ships is sooooo boring to play. It's too much of an all eggs in one basket army and I dislike armies without a lot of variety, which is why I prefer to play outside of themes.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 14, 2017 20:47:54 GMT
Wait, quick question. I keep seeing people mention raiders with AD but they don't have it, unless I'm being an idiot.
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Post by ware86 on Mar 14, 2017 21:01:07 GMT
Wait, quick question. I keep seeing people mention raiders with AD but they don't have it, unless I'm being an idiot. I don't see what you can see. show me those people please (haven't seen anyone saying that but maybe i just over read that)
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Post by schostoppa1 on Mar 14, 2017 21:14:14 GMT
In mk2 they were absolutely bonkers. They had natural AD and CMA. The sea witch gave pathfinder, Force barrier, and power swell (extra dice for damage roll) Then the captain gave No sleeping on the job and desperate pace. So turn one the raiders could jam 7" deploy+6"AD+14"Run+DP. But thats part of why theres so much irritation in Cryx for our infantry. The raider boat got 6 nerfs and a buff (gang) and a rework of abilites and they are still the premier of our faction now.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 14, 2017 21:17:11 GMT
I thought I spotted someone saying it in this thread, which is why I asked. I already accidentally cheated once, in my first game with Raiders in Mk3, I don't want to do it again.
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Post by darkshroud on Mar 14, 2017 21:25:21 GMT
I thought I spotted someone saying it in this thread, which is why I asked. I already accidentally cheated once, in my first game with Raiders in Mk3, I don't want to do it again. I mentioned ad was removed from them.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 15, 2017 8:55:04 GMT
I will chime in again, hopping not to be the party pooper.
All I do is trying to change your view to the sky isn't falling.
1. Cryx the infantry faction. If you ask outside of cryx forums many will tell you Cryx is STILL the infantry faction, because for most opponents It doesn’t matter if the 20+infantry models on the other side are Satyx, Banes, Thralls or Pirates. In MK2 many factions were infantry factions. As I mentioned before in Khador at the start of MK3 Irusk 2 was all over the place because most Khadorans didn’t own the Jacks that were now so good and he was the only caster which whom you could run infantry. In MK2 Khador was all about infantry, often not even maxing out on Jackpoints. Cryx now sill runs infantry very well, just completely different infantry then in MK2. I know that’s frustrating but hold on a second, because that’s my Segway into Part 2
2. WMH is a living, changing System. If you don’t like that, well I have bad news for you. There is nothing wrong with wanting every model to be good, but sometimes, with all the things going on, that’s not easy to achive and sometimes the system needs a shakeup. The problem when you don’t want to change things is, that the Meta becomes stale really fast. There are good “fixed” systems that are fun to play, but I don’t know of any that is tournament oriented. When playing with a changing system you have to expect that you have to continusly invest in your army because maybe the new stuff outclasses your old stuff, or the good and old gets nerved so the new stuff can see the light. Again in a perfect world everything would be viable, but that’s hard to achieve. If you had 3 Units of Banes/Thralls and no other stuff its likely you bought them because a) you liked their look, b) you like the style, c) the were what was good. Now the strength of those Units has changed. If you bought them because of the look you are in somewhat of a bad spot I agree. But you can have the feel of the undead army with Ghostfleet and the strength with ghostfleet or Raiders. If your point is you don’t want to buy new models than I have to say we are at a conflict of interest, because I don’t want the Meta to grow stale. Just for your info. I have 40 Banes now and 30 thralls. I will at least try 30 thralls to see how they do. And I will try Banes (but not 40 at once, more like single Units).
What I am trying to say is, adopt to MK3 and see that the game is not without fun if you adopt. I see Cryx winning local tournament left and right while the internet is always negative. If the faction isn’t fun anymore switch. If you don’t want to invest, well then you are stuck either way. New Systems cost money too. 2 Units of Satyx cost about 100€ and Bäm, most your other stuff can find a place here and there too. Try stuff out, experiment. Take what you like and try to make it work. Don’t let yourself be influenced by negative opinions so much. Units got worse, but maybe they still have a niche.
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