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Post by Swampmist on Sept 11, 2017 1:21:39 GMT
He's hoping for a fusion bonegrinders\shamblers theme, It's not likely, but possible. and if so midas with spell slaves if dumb as hell.
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Post by custardboy on Sept 11, 2017 9:00:39 GMT
It wouldn't be dumb if he's limited to bone grinders. They aren't exactly a good target for the spell normally... Anyway, I suspect it saying 'unit' is a typo. Arcane assist and the ability to pass out friendly spells or potentially try an offensive one sounds like a normal power caster attachment. Also Rask doesn't need both his spells upkept and 3 things getting boundless charge for 0 fury
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 11, 2017 12:27:54 GMT
Well bone grinders do have the 5 dice charge gimmick vs hordes.
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Post by Tenzilla on Sept 11, 2017 13:30:05 GMT
It could be a withershadow combine type unit so one has arcane assist, one has spell slave etc.
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Post by albertairish on Sept 11, 2017 14:25:04 GMT
It wouldn't be dumb if he's limited to bone grinders. They aren't exactly a good target for the spell normally... Anyway, I suspect it saying 'unit' is a typo. Arcane assist and the ability to pass out friendly spells or potentially try an offensive one sounds like a normal power caster attachment. Also Rask doesn't need both his spells upkept and 3 things getting boundless charge for 0 fury Paingivers give +2 Str and free charges in Skorne for 5 points. Don't worry, these guys will cost more than that.
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Sept 11, 2017 21:02:56 GMT
Can't really compare things across factions without taking entire factions into account. You should probably stop doing that,
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Post by albertairish on Sept 11, 2017 21:17:40 GMT
Can't really compare things across factions without taking entire factions into account. You should probably stop doing that, Alright, how about this - fury management and efficiency in Minions sucks balls. 3 Boundless Charges per turn is a good start.
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Post by Gaston on Sept 11, 2017 21:21:53 GMT
Can't really compare things across factions without taking entire factions into account. You should probably stop doing that, Skorne did get our entire faction, with Paingivers, in a theme force..... #notbitterbutsuperbitter
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dagowit
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Post by dagowit on Sept 12, 2017 7:16:08 GMT
As for a Spell Slave Unit, I imagine it will be a bit like Bone Grinders in mk2 where the Leader had some magic ability and you have Grunts tagging along mostly for flavour.
As for us agreeing to disagree on which option is better, I think it makes sense that we would be divided. Minions players used to be either Thornfall or Blindwater (with a majority of the latter) and even in mk3 I think most of us still lean one way or the other (which makes it unsurprising that WTC players choose the sub-faction they are most comfortable with, skewing the perception of how strong Farrow are compared to Gatormen).
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Post by albertairish on Sept 12, 2017 13:09:56 GMT
As for a Spell Slave Unit, I imagine it will be a bit like Bone Grinders in mk2 where the Leader had some magic ability and you have Grunts tagging along mostly for flavour. As for us agreeing to disagree on which option is better, I think it makes sense that we would be divided. Minions players used to be either Thornfall or Blindwater (with a majority of the latter) and even in mk3 I think most of us still lean one way or the other (which makes it unsurprising that WTC players choose the sub-faction they are most comfortable with, skewing the perception of how strong Farrow are compared to Gatormen). I don't think you give WTC players enough credit. They will literally buy, learn and paint entire factions just to win a major tournament. Well, they buy the power list in that faction. If they thought a Farrow list was particularly strong they'd be on it like pigs on slop.
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Post by Azahul on Sept 12, 2017 13:21:59 GMT
I don't think you give WTC players enough credit. They will literally buy, learn and paint entire factions just to win a major tournament. Well, they buy the power list in that faction. If they thought a Farrow list was particularly strong they'd be on it like pigs on slop. There's actually a pretty big spectrum of players at the WTC. Not all countries have equally competitive metas. Some players prize familiarity over theorymachine. And Minions, being very poorly represented in general, are more likely to fall into odd exceptions than others. The only reason objectively for a player of the type you describe to play Minions at all at the WTC over, say, Cygnar, would be if they feel Minions answer a specific problem for the team. As a faction, I think the only big meta list we definitively answer to the point where we're worth considering over other options is Calaban into Ghost Fleet, which could certainly contribute to the prominence of Gators (though admittedly not so much to the prominence of Rask).
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Sept 12, 2017 14:37:49 GMT
Can't really compare things across factions without taking entire factions into account. You should probably stop doing that, Skorne did get our entire faction, with Paingivers, in a theme force..... #notbitterbutsuperbitter You could just see it as Minions just got a bunch of extra stuff but yeah, I do agree that theme made me go "Huh? Wtf?"
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Post by Gaston on Sept 12, 2017 14:53:40 GMT
I don't think you give WTC players enough credit. They will literally buy, learn and paint entire factions just to win a major tournament. Well, they buy the power list in that faction. If they thought a Farrow list was particularly strong they'd be on it like pigs on slop. There's actually a pretty big spectrum of players at the WTC. Not all countries have equally competitive metas. Some players prize familiarity over theorymachine. And Minions, being very poorly represented in general, are more likely to fall into odd exceptions than others. The only reason objectively for a player of the type you describe to play Minions at all at the WTC over, say, Cygnar, would be if they feel Minions answer a specific problem for the team. As a faction, I think the only big meta list we definitively answer to the point where we're worth considering over other options is Calaban into Ghost Fleet, which could certainly contribute to the prominence of Gators (though admittedly not so much to the prominence of Rask). Familiarity would contribute to the prominence of Rask however. And I think that an argument could be made that Rask and Arkadius are about the same spot competitively, though I personally prefer Ark/Calaban as a pairing. It also makes it way easier to pack your back for air travel when only playing one pact, FWIW. That is how I always did it anyway.
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Post by Swampmist on Sept 12, 2017 15:24:53 GMT
it's the same reason timtheenchanter brought double ghost fleet and double dark menagerie to Nova; when you need bag space, playing what boils down to 2 of the same list, or nearly there, is a lot easier.
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Post by albertairish on Sept 12, 2017 15:41:11 GMT
Or the 5 of 6 players going just think Rask is better.
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