d3z
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Post by d3z on Sept 15, 2017 2:05:23 GMT
Had a blast trying F3ora in masses with:
F3ora - Hierophant - HoJ - Repenter x3
Monk x2
Max choir Max Idrians with CA (free) Max Zealots with CA Max Zealots with CA Sunburst crew (free)
Played into Lucant, and won probably more on list than skill, due to the ranged firepower being insufficient to stop F3ora's game plan (the TEPs can't even remove the monolith bearers, since you can pass off the hits). Didn't get any flame trail action on the monks, just because of the matchup.
The +8 POW swing on HoJ was fun, as was having such a versatile BG, but being satisfied with the performance of Zealots trumped everything else. The bombs were scary, particularly on the side with HoJ (3 bombs killed the objective). Also got a kick out of putting 3 Molten Metals into a feated + decel'd Inverter.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 15, 2017 14:21:46 GMT
What do you guys think about two deliver max in its and a unit of cult-I mean Zealots under Sevy1 as a core.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Sept 15, 2017 16:21:37 GMT
The only problem for me with two max deliverer units is the lack of any real melee power, especially if you run up against blast damage immunity. I'd rather have at least one decent melee unit as well like Idrian's.
But then again, under Sev 1 with Ashes to Ashes you do have a decent way of getting them out of being engaged in cases where people just run up fast stuff to engage them
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Post by chillychinaman on Sept 15, 2017 18:41:09 GMT
I'd be tickled pink to have the theme receive no changes, but I doubt that will happen. What do you think are the most likely changes(nerfs)? I'm gonna assume we'll lose Hand of Vengeance because we can't have nice things. Maybe jacks gain Girded so we can deliver those powerful Zealot and Paladin models. I was going through my old posts, and it seems like I was half right about Girded... As long as FM gets Hand of Vengeance and the Deliverer changes stick, I'll be happy overall, but the Paladin really was a lost opportunity.
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Post by WantonRanger on Sept 15, 2017 19:47:33 GMT
What do you think are the most likely changes(nerfs)? I'm gonna assume we'll lose Hand of Vengeance because we can't have nice things. Maybe jacks gain Girded so we can deliver those powerful Zealot and Paladin models. I was going through my old posts, and it seems like I was half right about Girded... As long as FM gets Hand of Vengeance and the Deliverer changes stick, I'll be happy overall, but the Paladin really was a lost opportunity. Removing hand of vengeance would be a massive dick move. Deliverers and zealots are pretty cool now and I agree championwas a massive wasted opportunity unless something big changes... girded is just a rubbish rule but a bunch of people on CID were gushing about it even though the batreps basically showed it doing nothing at all. you are just going to take 2 allegiants instead of the champion.
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Sept 16, 2017 5:53:50 GMT
What do you think are the most likely changes(nerfs)? I'm gonna assume we'll lose Hand of Vengeance because we can't have nice things. Maybe jacks gain Girded so we can deliver those powerful Zealot and Paladin models. I was going through my old posts, and it seems like I was half right about Girded... As long as FM gets Hand of Vengeance and the Deliverer changes stick, I'll be happy overall, but the Paladin really was a lost opportunity. PP wouldn't listen to anyone about lance. If the champion didn't have lance, it'd be worth the points. As it stands, I don't really want one.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 16, 2017 14:06:37 GMT
I was going through my old posts, and it seems like I was half right about Girded... As long as FM gets Hand of Vengeance and the Deliverer changes stick, I'll be happy overall, but the Paladin really was a lost opportunity. PP wouldn't listen to anyone about lance. If the champion didn't have lance, it'd be worth the points. As it stands, I don't really want one. PP wouldn't listen to anyone about the champion. they ignored EVERY batrep saying he didn't work right, so they gave us girded instead. IDK what metas anyone else is is, but the only people who even bother bringing his blast template anymore is me and the grymkin guy.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 16, 2017 17:17:56 GMT
Honestly from my experience the only 2 factions that really use blasts other than us are Trolls and Khador.
I think the paladin is a great example of 1:PP has certain factions they like better 2: PP does not know exactly what they want Protectorate to do,
The paladin was requested to be changed multiple times, He has little things that just make no sense. His sword is whimpier than regular paladins, He has the lance rule, and his command ability (which I think there were some great suggestions on the forums that were ignored) is situational and not useful. I think as we watch themes come out and pay attention to the past few CiD cycles we can see the trend of favoritism from them in terms of factions.
Examples: Dark Host Cid: The entire cid was all about buff buff buff. I do not remember one reduction in power to tested units. Trencher Cid: same as the Dark Host Northkin Cid: Lots of shifting of power through the process, some units reduced in power and never compensated for (raiders) and lots of crying OP from non troll players. Battle engine Cid: Remember all the cygnar cryx and ret players crying about how their BE's were not good enough..and how OP the vessel was? I sure do and guess what, double BE is pretty popular in Cygnar, Ret and some cryx lists in dark host (particularly skarre 1) Storm striders are everywhere and Any ret player with sense who plays double Disco Cricket makes those things disgusting. Christmas CiD: Lots of focus on Son's of the tempest, ret jacks just chalked up as good, but huge resistance on wold watcher and paladin changes. Dev's consistently provided input about how things were working. Honestly makes me wonder if there are people just submitting feedback forms daily with really skewed feedback. Minions theme was changed at the very end of CiD and became pretty lackluster and monobuild. Minions players did not get much time to test changes.
New themes being released. I look at the themes for Khador, ret, cygnar, and Cryx and all of them (bar sons of the tempest) are good solid themes. The previewed themes are fantastic and the new cryx one is borderline bonkers and meanwhile the rest of us get...secret masters, girded on jacks, the tracker on beasts in a faction that only has a few pathfinder models, a cute +1 to the roll off, or maybe the odd free points but only for very specific models like in trolls. Now do not get me wrong, I think creators might, Bones, Power of dhunia, etc are all solid themes. But there are some serious discrepancies in theme potency between factions. Even faith-full masses, that has fantastic benefits has the huge weakness of very disposable, easily killed infantry. I loom at heavy metal, dark host, ghost fleet, and the ret themes and I just feel like certain factions are getting nice things all the time and the rest of us are hit or miss.
I am actually pretty worried these themes are gonna be like GW levels of power creep, except at least with GW its consistent power creep over time, with themes it looks like its only creeping for the fanboy factions.
anyway rant mode off.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 17, 2017 12:23:55 GMT
Honestly from my experience the only 2 factions that really use blasts other than us are Trolls and Khador. I think the paladin is a great example of 1:PP has certain factions they like better 2: PP does not know exactly what they want Protectorate to do, The paladin was requested to be changed multiple times, He has little things that just make no sense. His sword is whimpier than regular paladins, He has the lance rule, and his command ability (which I think there were some great suggestions on the forums that were ignored) is situational and not useful. I think as we watch themes come out and pay attention to the past few CiD cycles we can see the trend of favoritism from them in terms of factions. Examples: Dark Host Cid: The entire cid was all about buff buff buff. I do not remember one reduction in power to tested units. Trencher Cid: same as the Dark Host Northkin Cid: Lots of shifting of power through the process, some units reduced in power and never compensated for (raiders) and lots of crying OP from non troll players. Battle engine Cid: Remember all the cygnar cryx and ret players crying about how their BE's were not good enough..and how OP the vessel was? I sure do and guess what, double BE is pretty popular in Cygnar, Ret and some cryx lists in dark host (particularly skarre 1) Storm striders are everywhere and Any ret player with sense who plays double Disco Cricket makes those things disgusting. Christmas CiD: Lots of focus on Son's of the tempest, ret jacks just chalked up as good, but huge resistance on wold watcher and paladin changes. Dev's consistently provided input about how things were working. Honestly makes me wonder if there are people just submitting feedback forms daily with really skewed feedback. Minions theme was changed at the very end of CiD and became pretty lackluster and monobuild. Minions players did not get much time to test changes. New themes being released. I look at the themes for Khador, ret, cygnar, and Cryx and all of them (bar sons of the tempest) are good solid themes. The previewed themes are fantastic and the new cryx one is borderline bonkers and meanwhile the rest of us get...secret masters, girded on jacks, the tracker on beasts in a faction that only has a few pathfinder models, a cute +1 to the roll off, or maybe the odd free points but only for very specific models like in trolls. Now do not get me wrong, I think creators might, Bones, Power of dhunia, etc are all solid themes. But there are some serious discrepancies in theme potency between factions. Even faith-full masses, that has fantastic benefits has the huge weakness of very disposable, easily killed infantry. I loom at heavy metal, dark host, ghost fleet, and the ret themes and I just feel like certain factions are getting nice things all the time and the rest of us are hit or miss. I am actually pretty worried these themes are gonna be like GW levels of power creep, except at least with GW its consistent power creep over time, with themes it looks like its only creeping for the fanboy factions. anyway rant mode off. You should copy this to the facebook forum. I'm serious. You took the time to really think about how to say some of our major complaints and then posted it in the only warmahordes discussion area that I'm not sure any PP staffers read. Pagani, OTOH, reads and even occasionally posts on the Menoth facebook group (rumor is he's even starting a faithful army! REPRESENT!) so might get seen better there. EDIT: I also theorized, on the cid forums, that someone might be botting/trolling the forms in favor of certain factions, because of those stated discrepancies. I think my post might have been deleted.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 17, 2017 13:56:46 GMT
Not on the Facebook but you can feel free to post it if you think it will grab attention
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 17, 2017 15:08:12 GMT
How exactly are the new Khador themes good? Unless of course by good you mean "completely bland and antisinergetic"
Meanwhile, Menoth gets FM: Hand of Vengeance
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 17, 2017 17:28:59 GMT
How exactly are the new Khador themes good? Unless of course by good you mean "completely bland and antisinergetic" Meanwhile, Menoth gets FM: Hand of Vengeance Are you kidding me...you are joking right? The khador themes are awesome. Legion of steel, winter gaurd kommand, and Jaws of the wolf have great benefits and great synergy.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 17, 2017 17:44:58 GMT
How exactly are the new Khador themes good? Unless of course by good you mean "completely bland and antisinergetic" Meanwhile, Menoth gets FM: Hand of Vengeance Not really released yet. Things have changed from time of cid to release. I don't expect that benefit to survive. Mostly cause people being omfg protectorate gets nice things. How dare they.
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Post by Me on Sept 17, 2017 19:06:49 GMT
You should copy this to the facebook forum. I'm serious. You took the time to really think about how to say some of our major complaints and then posted it in the only warmahordes discussion area that I'm not sure any PP staffers read. Pagani, OTOH, reads and even occasionally posts on the Menoth facebook group (rumor is he's even starting a faithful army! REPRESENT!) so might get seen better there. EDIT: I also theorized, on the cid forums, that someone might be botting/trolling the forms in favor of certain factions, because of those stated discrepancies. I think my post might have been deleted. This worked well. So far my favorite responses on the FB group are as follows: I'm posting this because Lormahordes (like the old forums) tends to become a massive negative echo chamber and you'll never see the above responses otherwise. There are some great ideas that get thrown around here, but get bogged down because of the overwhelming overtones here. I started here after the nuking of the old forums, then migrated over to the FB page pretty quickly since the overall tone there (with a few exceptions) is centered on playing around things and not just theorycrafting the faction to the ground and generally a lot more upbeat. I still come here as a guest to check my biases and get some fresh ideas, but man. Seeing posts like the one above copied on the FB page, and the related responses definitely display how different the communities are at this point. I'd really encourage people to try and make their way over. I know the FB thing is a barrier for some people, but it's worth looking at to get some fresh ideas.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 17, 2017 20:32:51 GMT
Your post hits exactly why people on here do not use Facebook. It's pretty ironic that you talk about how negative we are on here and post a slew of personal insults from people that do not know me from a "better forum" I debated responding because it seemed like it wasn't worth the effort but it's good to know my post upset people enough that they wasted time attacking me personally and you wasted time gathering all these posts and reading comments to show me all this negativity that you apparently left this forum for. All I can do is laugh at this
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