Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 21, 2017 13:34:07 GMT
America has always been behind the curve compared to the UK and Europe when it comes to competitive play, especially with regards to Cygnar. Lets see if they do any better at the WTC this year, or whether they are always going to be 6 months behind us. #shotsfired I don't think we can claim that anymore.
6 Months ago in Europe Cygnar where everywhere. Look at the Gencon results. They aren't 6 months behind, they are just weird.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 13:36:00 GMT
America has always been behind the curve compared to the UK and Europe when it comes to competitive play, especially with regards to Cygnar. Lets see if they do any better at the WTC this year, or whether they are always going to be 6 months behind us. #shotsfired That could also be taken as "Europe has never been able to find the answers to Cygnar and Cryx dominating their meta" or "Europe's best players all play Cygnar and their skill makes them perform well"
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 21, 2017 13:44:36 GMT
America has always been behind the curve compared to the UK and Europe when it comes to competitive play, especially with regards to Cygnar. Lets see if they do any better at the WTC this year, or whether they are always going to be 6 months behind us. #shotsfired I don't think we can claim that anymore.
6 Months ago in Europe Cygnar where everywhere. Look at the Gencon results. They aren't 6 months behind, they are just weird.
If by 'weird' you mean 'bad' then yes I agree
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Post by necromeat on Aug 21, 2017 13:45:23 GMT
Wait. There are people that think Cygnar isn't amazing? That changes my whole gaming world.
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bward
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Post by bward on Aug 21, 2017 13:51:54 GMT
America has always been behind the curve compared to the UK and Europe when it comes to competitive play, especially with regards to Cygnar. Lets see if they do any better at the WTC this year, or whether they are always going to be 6 months behind us. #shotsfired I know you are just trying to troll, but I'll bite. If that is your method for evaluating global competitiveness, is UK/Europe 6 months behind Australia then?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 21, 2017 13:56:35 GMT
America has always been behind the curve compared to the UK and Europe when it comes to competitive play, especially with regards to Cygnar. Lets see if they do any better at the WTC this year, or whether they are always going to be 6 months behind us. #shotsfired I know you are just trying to troll, but I'll bite. If that is your method for evaluating global competitiveness, is UK/Europe 6 months behind Australia then? Yeah Probably
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 21, 2017 13:59:21 GMT
America has always been behind the curve compared to the UK and Europe when it comes to competitive play, especially with regards to Cygnar. Lets see if they do any better at the WTC this year, or whether they are always going to be 6 months behind us. #shotsfired That could also be taken as "Europe has never been able to find the answers to Cygnar and Cryx dominating their meta" or "Europe's best players all play Cygnar and their skill makes them perform well" Only if you were in deep denial.
Despite only a small number of foreign players coming over for Lock n Load and Warmachine Weekends they have done phenomenally well.
Lock N Load 2017: Pat Dunsford wins event. Aaron Wales loses final WMW 2016: Chris Davies (Wins of both masters and LCQ) Lock N Load 2015 Masters: Ben Leeper loses in Final Lock N Load 2015 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final WMW 2014 IG: Martin Hornacek wins event Lock N Load 2014 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final Lock N Load 2014 Masters: James Moorhouse wins event
Consider how few non NA players attend these events and consider how well they've done overall. Yes many of the people that would go on such a trip are the strongest players, but we all generally agree that to win any event you need a but of luck you wouldn't expect such a strong showing unless there was clearly some skill discrepancy.
But this is all dick waving. I don't want this turned into "My Meta is better than your meta" especially as Australia is clearly stronger than either. All I would ask is that you at least entertain the idea that Cygnar are a very real problem and have been for a year now. If you think it's just EU struggling to find an answer that NA has found, I ask why no one could stop Pat Dunsford coming over and winning Lock N Load.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 14:03:15 GMT
That could also be taken as "Europe has never been able to find the answers to Cygnar and Cryx dominating their meta" or "Europe's best players all play Cygnar and their skill makes them perform well" Only if you were in deep denial.
Despite only a small number of foreign players coming over for Lock n Load and Warmachine Weekends they have done phenomenally well.
Lock N Load 2017: Pat Dunsford wins event. Aaron Wales loses final WMW 2016: Chris Davies (Wins of both masters and LCQ) Lock N Load 2015 Masters: Ben Leeper loses in Final Lock N Load 2015 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final WMW 2014 IG: Martin Hornacek wins event Lock N Load 2014 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final Lock N Load 2014 Masters: James Moorhouse wins event
Consider how few non NA players attend these events and consider how well they've done overall. Yes many of the people that would go on such a trip are the strongest players, but we all generally agree that to win any event you need a but of luck you wouldn't expect such a strong showing unless there was clearly some skill discrepancy.
But this is all dick waving. I don't want this turned into "My Meta is better than your meta" especially as Australia is clearly stronger than either. All I would ask is that you at least entertain the idea that Cygnar are a very real problem and have been for a year now. If you think it's just EU struggling to find an answer that NA has found, I ask why no one could stop Pat Dunsford coming over and winning Lock N Load.
I'll try to make it to L&L next year and prove my point.
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Post by pangurban on Aug 21, 2017 14:05:29 GMT
That could also be taken as "Europe has never been able to find the answers to Cygnar and Cryx dominating their meta" or "Europe's best players all play Cygnar and their skill makes them perform well" Only if you were in deep denial.
Despite only a small number of foreign players coming over for Lock n Load and Warmachine Weekends they have done phenomenally well.
Lock N Load 2017: Pat Dunsford wins event. Aaron Wales loses final WMW 2016: Chris Davies (Wins of both masters and LCQ) Lock N Load 2015 Masters: Ben Leeper loses in Final Lock N Load 2015 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final WMW 2014 IG: Martin Hornacek wins event Lock N Load 2014 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final Lock N Load 2014 Masters: James Moorhouse wins event
Consider how few non NA players attend these events and consider how well they've done overall. Yes many of the people that would go on such a trip are the strongest players, but we all generally agree that to win any event you need a but of luck you wouldn't expect such a strong showing unless there was clearly some skill discrepancy.
But this is all dick waving. I don't want this turned into "My Meta is better than your meta" especially as Australia is clearly stronger than either. All I would ask is that you at least entertain the idea that Cygnar are a very real problem and have been for a year now. If you think it's just EU struggling to find an answer that NA has found, I ask why no one could stop Pat Dunsford coming over and winning Lock N Load.
Dark horse factor.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 21, 2017 14:20:53 GMT
Only if you were in deep denial.
Despite only a small number of foreign players coming over for Lock n Load and Warmachine Weekends they have done phenomenally well.
Lock N Load 2017: Pat Dunsford wins event. Aaron Wales loses final WMW 2016: Chris Davies (Wins of both masters and LCQ) Lock N Load 2015 Masters: Ben Leeper loses in Final Lock N Load 2015 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final WMW 2014 IG: Martin Hornacek wins event Lock N Load 2014 IG: Trent Denison loses in the final Lock N Load 2014 Masters: James Moorhouse wins event
Consider how few non NA players attend these events and consider how well they've done overall. Yes many of the people that would go on such a trip are the strongest players, but we all generally agree that to win any event you need a but of luck you wouldn't expect such a strong showing unless there was clearly some skill discrepancy.
But this is all dick waving. I don't want this turned into "My Meta is better than your meta" especially as Australia is clearly stronger than either. All I would ask is that you at least entertain the idea that Cygnar are a very real problem and have been for a year now. If you think it's just EU struggling to find an answer that NA has found, I ask why no one could stop Pat Dunsford coming over and winning Lock N Load.
Dark horse factor. I don't know if a person can be a dark horse, and even if they all were dark horses, surely that proves the point about them being better, the yanks were unprepared for them, because their meta is limp and feeble
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 14:22:10 GMT
I don't know if a person can be a dark horse, and even if they all were dark horses, surely that proves the point about them being better, the yanks were unprepared for them, because their meta is limp and feeble Now your name calling an entire continent... that's kinda rude.
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unded
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Post by unded on Aug 21, 2017 14:26:01 GMT
Now your name calling an entire continent... that's kinda rude. I'm pretty sure he only meant the USA. There's an entire country of flappy-headed guys north of you on your continent. I think it's called "Canadia" or something like that. Maybe they'll be a real state some day? -und_ed
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 21, 2017 14:32:14 GMT
I don't know if a person can be a dark horse, and even if they all were dark horses, surely that proves the point about them being better, the yanks were unprepared for them, because their meta is limp and feeble Now your name calling an entire continent... that's kinda rude. don't worry, its only good natured smack talk, you can call me a limey, I won't mind
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Post by pangurban on Aug 21, 2017 14:34:34 GMT
I don't know if a person can be a dark horse, and even if they all were dark horses, surely that proves the point about them being better, the yanks were unprepared for them, because their meta is limp and feeble Being a dark horse means the competition doesn't know you and thus isn't prepared for you. That's literally what it means.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 21, 2017 14:36:35 GMT
I don't know if a person can be a dark horse, and even if they all were dark horses, surely that proves the point about them being better, the yanks were unprepared for them, because their meta is limp and feeble Being a dark horse means the competition doesn't know you and thus isn't prepared for you. That's literally what it means. But the same would be true for the foreign players who would be against many more dark horses as they would face someone they don't know every round.
On top of that the Aussies returned with success year after year. Seems unlikely they were still Dark Horses
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