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Post by elladan52 on Aug 7, 2017 15:28:03 GMT
Not sure about that. The BEs that can both crack armor with boostable guns AND kill infantry at the same time seem pretty good. AFG can only do one of those at a time.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 7, 2017 15:28:09 GMT
In terms of battle engines I think the one that has the most impact in its faction is the Wraith Engine, its aura is great for a faction with plenty of undead models and casters, Dark Shroud in Ghost Fleet means lots of casters can achieve that -4/-5 arm swing without banes, in Dark Host it makes typical anti cryx tech (e.g. lots of fairly low pow guns) very sad, making Dark Host a great pair for Ghost Fleet, it hits hard as well with 3 attacks, can screen your caster, and can make machine wraiths (outside of its activation as well) which can be game changing, it is simply an incredible piece for Cryx
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Post by Lord_Randall on Aug 7, 2017 15:48:51 GMT
I know the Storm Strider is a very good BE. But is it actually the best? All battle engines seem pretty strong now. Almost certainly not.
The AFG and TEP are clearly ahead of it.
Maybe not the best BE, but a top-tier ones for sure...
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Aug 7, 2017 16:03:39 GMT
Almost certainly not.
The AFG and TEP are clearly ahead of it.
Maybe not the best BE, but a top-tier ones for sure... Then what are the tiers? Which BEs are "top"? Which are "average"? Which are "bottom"? I don't know what metrics you are using here.
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Grimolf
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Post by Grimolf on Aug 7, 2017 17:18:12 GMT
I do like my Wraith Engine! Not saying it's the top BE (I doubt it is), but it has been very helpful in my recent games.
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Post by unded on Aug 7, 2017 17:28:36 GMT
I gotta say the Celestial Fulcrum is bonkers good.
The wold boat (Fulcrum, Wyrd, Wyrd) puts out a staggering amount of firepower that threatens both heavies and infantry, while all being self-fuelled, leaving the warlock to do other things.
The other engines would have to do amazing things to make me feel like the fulcrum isn't pulling his weight.
-und_ed
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 7, 2017 17:35:09 GMT
I gotta say the Celestial Fulcrum is bonkers good. The wold boat (Fulcrum, Wyrd, Wyrd) puts out a staggering amount of firepower that threatens both heavies and infantry, while all being self-fuelled, leaving the warlock to do other things. The other engines would have to do amazing things to make me feel like the fulcrum isn't pulling his weight. -und_ed Played against a fulcrum and 3 Woldwyrds this weekend, the firepower was pretty gross
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Post by oncomingstorm on Aug 7, 2017 17:41:07 GMT
I know the Storm Strider is a very good BE. But is it actually the best? All battle engines seem pretty strong now. Almost certainly not.
The AFG and TEP are clearly ahead of it.
The AFG is pretty mid-tier, as new BEs go. You rarely see two of them, and you mostly see it with casters that support it particularly well. and it's impact on the game is...fairly limited if the opponent is playing smart. It's slow, can't boost to hit (so it's not hitting your caster behind an obstruction) and it doesn't hit unusually hard, especially given the lack of non-feat ways for ret to increase ranged damage (unlike SS + firefly, it's own buff, silverline stormguard - lol - etc.) People get caught up in the 'I can't kill it!' aspect of the AFG, and either fail to mitigate, or send waaay too much stuff after it to try and take it out. Strider, TEP, Fulcrum, Animantrax, and quite possibly the meat thresher beat it out IMO.
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Post by skittles on Aug 7, 2017 17:45:41 GMT
Yes, and after three months of straight changes this spring, apparently sales started to drop since no one was willing to buy stuff that would randomly change. Do you have proof of this somewhere? Because most businesses, Privateer Press included, are pretty tight lipped when it comes to sales figures. I have no hard metrics. However PP is down on the IC2 list. Also lots of ancidodal complaining on the Facebook groups.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 7, 2017 17:56:23 GMT
I gotta say the Celestial Fulcrum is bonkers good. The wold boat (Fulcrum, Wyrd, Wyrd) puts out a staggering amount of firepower that threatens both heavies and infantry, while all being self-fuelled, leaving the warlock to do other things. The other engines would have to do amazing things to make me feel like the fulcrum isn't pulling his weight. -und_ed Played against a fulcrum and 3 Woldwyrds this weekend, the firepower was pretty gross Its also 46 points Seems like a justifiable output for the cost Fulcrum is definitely one of the best for its support AND ranged output. It does more than just blam things. People really underestimate the AFG. I don't think its the best, but it really is bonkers good in a gunline. Strider Is pretty darn amazing in Cygnar I think that and the TEP are the best right now.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 7, 2017 17:59:47 GMT
Fulcrum+wyrds is great but low range and fragile, especially the wyrds who are hard to heal and easy to cripple. The fulcrum is awesome for circle and probably better for circle than the Strider is for cygnar but I have no doubt that pound for pound the Strider is better.
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Post by Ganso on Aug 7, 2017 20:05:22 GMT
Are we back to needing more data? Definitely. Winning almost every major tournament in the last six months isn't statistically significant ;-) For every Cryx/Cygnar win there's a large tournament somewhere getting rolled by Chris Davies running Khador. Also, expect Tim Banky to start dominating Cons with Grymkin in the near future. Seriously guys, stop fixating on what the top players are running and start analyzing what they're doing that is constantly putting them on the top tables, because spoiler alert, faction choice will only get you so far, eventually you actually have to know how to execute a solid plan.
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 7, 2017 20:10:47 GMT
Definitely. Winning almost every major tournament in the last six months isn't statistically significant ;-) Seriously guys, stop fixating on what the top players are running and start analyzing what they're doing that is constantly putting them on the top tables, because spoiler alert, faction choice will only get you so far, eventually you actually have to know how to execute a solid plan. Chris thinks Cygnar and Cryx are a genuine problem and hasn't won anything since they nerfed the Mad Dogs, he didn't just win because of Mad Dogs but at the time he won, Cygnar weren't getting played as well in NA as they were in Europe. Pat Dunsford and Tim Banky are both switching to Grimkin and feel they have game into Cygnar. That doesn't mean the game is balance, it just means they released another faction that can compete. Seriously guys, stop fixating on how the top players are playing and start analyzing what faction they are playing that is constantly putting them on the top tables, because spoiler alert, player skill will only get you so far, eventually you have to realize you need to switch faction if you want to win a big tournament.
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Post by Korianneder on Aug 7, 2017 20:29:45 GMT
Do you have proof of this somewhere? Because most businesses, Privateer Press included, are pretty tight lipped when it comes to sales figures. I have no hard metrics. However PP is down on the IC2 list. Also lots of ancidodal complaining on the Facebook groups. What is the IC2 list? I'm not familiar with that and a Google search turned up nothing.
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Post by Ganso on Aug 7, 2017 20:44:51 GMT
Chris thinks Cygnar and Cryx are a genuine problem and hasn't won anything since they nerfed the Mad Dogs, he didn't just win because of Mad Dogs but at the time he won, Cygnar weren't getting played as well in NA as they were in Europe. Pat Dunsford and Tim Banky are both switching to Grimkin and feel they have game into Cygnar. That doesn't mean the game is balance, it just means they released another faction that can compete. Seriously guys, stop fixating on how the top players are playing and start analyzing what faction they are playing that is constantly putting them on the top tables, because spoiler alert, player skill will only get you so far, eventually you have to realize you need to switch faction if you want to win a big tournament. daaaamn! that's some mighty Infomercial logic you got going there "You too can get these abs! just call our 800 number right now!" lol, I'm sure chickenslayer can tell you exactly what he was won recently.
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