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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 2, 2017 2:02:45 GMT
I have been recently going at it with the Old Witch and she's actually pretty great in my mind. Her toolkit is very neat, and I'm surprised the amount of utility I have gotten out of even Gallows.
She just wants an Armor Cracking Backup Cover, and she does a crazy amount of work herself with Scrapjack. I have found Malakov 1 serves great for this purpose, with something as simple as a Juggernaught or on the more expensive end with a Behemoth for the super hard to kill targets.
I feel like shes a Focus 10 caster in a Focus 7 casters body with a Free speed booster that averages at the 2 focus cost alongside great power.
I find shes great in the Winter Gaurd Kommand theme, but she also works in the Legion of steel theme.
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Post by gobber on Aug 2, 2017 4:00:16 GMT
Huh, I'll have to give her a whirl again. Thanks for experimenting counter to the prevailing negativity!
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Post by Blargaliscious on Aug 2, 2017 5:16:30 GMT
Over at Privateer Press Headquarters...
Smithers: Mr. Burns, it appears we have a problem developing.
Mr. Burns: Oh, what could it be, Smithers?
Smithers: Well, first there was talk about Sorscha2 possibly being a viable caster.
Mr. Burns: Yes, by that ne'er-do-well Sand20go, right?
Smithers: Yes sir. But don't worry, conventional thought crushed that one.
Mr. Burns: Excellent...
Smithers: But now we have someone talking up Old Witch1. It doesn't look good sir, he sounded positively upbeat about playing her.
Mr. Burns: Who is that forumite?
Smithers: It is the posting machine Rowdy Dragon in sector 7-G.
Mr. Burns: Rowdy Dragon, eh? Well, now, we can't have that! We need to crush this "independent thought" thing as soon as we can. What's next? Some ruffian thinking he can take Butcher2 in a Jaws of the Wolf theme force? Or, dare I say it...
Smithers: Vlad3 in a Legion of Steel theme force?
Mr. Burns: Bite your tongue young man!
Smithers: Oh, I don't know sir, properly painted I'm sure it would look quite dashing on the table.
Mr. Burns: Don't you give into their shenanigans!
Smithers: Don't worry, sir, I will always remain faithful to you. What do you propose we do.
Mr. Burns: Smithers, release the hounds!
Smither: Right away, sir!
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zeffid
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Post by zeffid on Aug 2, 2017 8:05:52 GMT
If she is able to cover ghost fleet then she will also do a lot of work against other infantry-heavy lists. But whoom do we have there? 1) Khador (WGK; LoS) 2) Menoth (Interdiction) 3) Retribution 4) Skorne (their only theme) 5) Mercs (Kingmakers)
Is that all? Can she really handle that?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 2, 2017 8:14:06 GMT
Well, people forget how good she is into armored infantry. With Avatar of slaughter on her own, she puts out POW 15 attacks with Mat 8. That's enough to kill most light-medium infantry. Even with a defensive boost.
And scrapjacks a bit worse, but at quarter the risk factor.
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Post by gobber on Aug 2, 2017 8:16:01 GMT
Rowdy what lists are you running?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 2, 2017 8:31:20 GMT
Nothing special: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0f0f0d0d7s8fe30d8t868H8e7Z7Y7WKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Winter Guard Kommand (Old Witch 1) The Old Witch of Khador [+18] - Juggernaut [12] - Juggernaut [12] - Kodiak [13] - War Dog [3] Kovnik Andrei Malakov [4] - Juggernaut [12] Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] - Battle Mechanik Officer [3] Widowmaker Scouts [8] Winter Guard Field Gun Crew [0(4)] Winter Guard Rifle Corps (max) [13] - Winter Guard Rocketeer (3) [6] I know she can't run that many jacks at once, but they exist as a threat. I also sometimes drop a jugger and upgrade malakov to a Behemoth (And rejiggle a few Points).
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on Aug 2, 2017 9:47:52 GMT
Myself and several others have been telling you she's good for months now, you just need practice with her. Not our fault you don't listen.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Aug 2, 2017 13:03:51 GMT
I find that everything she can do, Sorscha 1 can do better. She needs 4 bg points and some minor buff before I'd consider her for tournament. She's fun to play though, apparition is one hell of an ability.
A shame colossals can't be placed, wgk is decent for her, but she wants Behemoth there so much.
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Post by welshhoppo on Aug 2, 2017 13:35:59 GMT
I actually made a thread about B2 jaws of the wolf. It's viable! I can't play old witch 1. Too many legion players.
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Post by wendan on Aug 2, 2017 15:06:58 GMT
She is super golden, she eats models for days. If you get like.. 17 souls on her, the next turn the enemy caster can't hide from her unlimited teleport!
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Post by sand20go on Aug 2, 2017 15:10:12 GMT
Over at Privateer Press Headquarters... Smithers: Mr. Burns, it appears we have a problem developing. Mr. Burns: Oh, what could it be, Smithers? Smithers: Well, first there was talk about Sorscha2 possibly being a viable caster. Mr. Burns: Yes, by that ne'er-do-well Sand20go, right? Smithers: Yes sir. But don't worry, conventional thought crushed that one. Mr. Burns: Excellent... Smithers: But now we have someone talking up Old Witch1. It doesn't look good sir, he sounded positively upbeat about playing her. Mr. Burns: Who is that forumite? Smithers: It is the posting machine Rowdy Dragon in sector 7-G. Mr. Burns: Rowdy Dragon, eh? Well, now, we can't have that! We need to crush this "independent thought" thing as soon as we can. What's next? Some ruffian thinking he can take Butcher2 in a Jaws of the Wolf theme force? Or, dare I say it... Smithers: Vlad3 in a Legion of Steel theme force? Mr. Burns: Bite your tongue young man! Smithers: Oh, I don't know sir, properly painted I'm sure it would look quite dashing on the table. Mr. Burns: Don't you give into their shenanigans! Smithers: Don't worry, sir, I will always remain faithful to you. What do you propose we do. Mr. Burns: Smithers, release the hounds! Smither: Right away, sir! This made me laugh out loud. Thank you!!!!
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Post by AdeptusB on Aug 2, 2017 15:40:00 GMT
Back when Wurmwood was the terror of early MkIII, I thought that OW1 might be a good counter, but I never tried it out; I just couldn't see a way to deal with armor...
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 2, 2017 16:06:41 GMT
Back when Wurmwood was the terror of early MkIII, I thought that OW1 might be a good counter, but I never tried it out; I just couldn't see a way to deal with armor... What exactly is the problem? What kind of armor does a Khadoran Jugger not overcome?
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Post by borderprince on Aug 3, 2017 5:00:57 GMT
Back when Wurmwood was the terror of early MkIII, I thought that OW1 might be a good counter, but I never tried it out; I just couldn't see a way to deal with armor... What exactly is the problem? What kind of armor does a Khadoran Jugger not overcome? Putting words into AdeptusB's mouth, so possibly wrong, but in the Wurmwood context: (1) it's any heavy warbeast in the forest on feat turn - OW1 can help a jack get through the woods with Weald Secrets, but it's not a very efficient use of focus (Boundless Charge is much better) and denies another model that spell; (2) hitting Circle beasts. MAT7 obviously helps, but Circle beasts are on that point on the curve where misses are something you need to expect. You need to maximise hits, or make every hit really count. OW1 can only do that with focus, making her less efficient than casters with damage or hit buffs; (3) OW1 has the problem that loading up a jack to take on heavies cuts down on what else she can do (at least unless/until you have got some souls) - there's more of a trade-off here than for some Khador casters. It's another reason she can be compared to Sorscha1 and a good reason to take Malakov with her and/or Forgeseers. More generally, a Juggernaut struggles against the top end ARM models. A Centurion, even without Arcane Shield, is tough to deal with. ARM buffs can be a serious problem, leading to a Juggernaut failing to take out any key systems on a jack, leaving the retaliation open. I'm not saying the Juggernaut is bad at dealing with ARM (far from it!), but it also isn't an auto success. If the rest of the list can't capitalise on the damage the Juggernaut does, then it can still struggle with ARM cracking. What would be really nice for OW1 would be her feat being boostable (I know, it's out of activation damage, so not able to be accommodated in the rules). Nemo1's feat is also a POW14, but boostable and that makes it quite nice against lower ARM jacks/beasts. Nemo1 ended up as a weird anti-Legion drop to some people I know during Mk2 - lesser warbeasts do not like boosted POW14s.
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