wishing
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Post by wishing on Jul 31, 2017 8:48:37 GMT
To each their own I guess. It's true that ever since PP started making alternate models of the battlebox casters, things got a bit confusing, because now there were two different models that could both be Sorscha 1. But I still associate specific models with specific rules, and I can tell the difference between models. So I will look at a model and know what rules go with that model specifically. So Sorscha 1 and Sorscha 2 are as different as Irusk and Vlad and the Butcher in my mind.
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Jul 31, 2017 9:15:45 GMT
Hmm,so what is the difference between Sorscha 1 and Sorscha 2 models ? Especially with the possibility of reposing your models if you wish ( I do it a lot).
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Jul 31, 2017 9:51:07 GMT
eSorscha is standing on ice?
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Post by pangurban on Jul 31, 2017 10:19:19 GMT
eSorscha is standing on ice? Honestly, the base is in my experience the most often modded part of the model. Particularly when players want uniform bases for all their models. |
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Post by Munindk on Jul 31, 2017 10:33:31 GMT
Generally I'd say for casual play only and it still has to be easy for your opponent to identify whats what on the table.
But then there's rule of cool to consider too. If you did a fully converted undead Trencher army using Hollowmen, some Risen, converted actual Threncher models with undead parts (Bile and Mechani Thralls?), using signature weapons like Finns gun and so on, I cant imagine a TO turning you away.
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wishing
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Post by wishing on Jul 31, 2017 14:01:36 GMT
Hmm,so what is the difference between Sorscha 1 and Sorscha 2 models ? Especially with the possibility of reposing your models if you wish ( I do it a lot). Well, the best answer I think is "appearance?".  Basically they are different sculpts. They also have different poses, but even if they had the same poses, I would still be able to tell them as different sculpts, I feel. There are three Sorscha 1 models (that I currently know of). One original where she has one arm raised in the air like she is casting a spell. Then a resculpt where she is holding her weapon in both hands over her head. Then a second resculpt where she is gesturing and waving someone over with her hand. Then there is one Sorscha 2 model, which is wearing a different jacket of some kind, and which is holding her weapon in both hands in front of her, close to her body, and is hunched over. Even if you changed which arms hold the weapon or whatever, the original body of the sculpt will have a distinctive pose that I certainly feel like I would always recognise. Plus each face has its own distinct facial expression. If you totally chop up the models, and make a hybrid of limbs and bodies and heads from all four of them, then obviously it will be impossible to tell which one it is supposed to be. But again, then that would actually be less of an issue, because then the new hybrid model would be something like a space marine - it wouldn't correspond to one specific WM model, and therefore you could easier apply any rules to it, I think. |
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Post by crimsyn on Jul 31, 2017 14:26:03 GMT
The main difference between the Sorschas is their coat. Sorscha1 has kind of a cape thing going on, while Sorscha2 has a shorter coat with a different design, looking kind of like Butcher or Hark's coat. Also they have different shoulder pads. Anyways, I don't think proxying a caster is going to cause huge issues for a lot of players. Basically the first thing that someone says when starting a game is "I'm playing Sorscha2," which kind of gets burned into people's heads when they start as the caster is so central to how an army plays and what game plan you have going in. It's not that often that someone tells me that they are playing Kaelyssa at the start of the game and I forget what caster they are playing halfway through. Here is my Sorscha2, converted from Nicia: imgur.com/a/c7uuT I've converted a lot of my casters, including doing a lot of gender-bent versions. For example, my Harkevich is Sorscha2 with a giant ham and some green stuff. I haven't had any problems. But again, this goes back to rule of cool. "Hey, here is my alt-universe headcanon of Harkevich's daughter," or "check out this badass pole-vaulting Sorscha" is cooler and will get you further than "I want to play Sorsha2 but I don't want to spend $15 or so on another model." |
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Jul 31, 2017 14:35:54 GMT
Basically the first thing that someone says when starting a game is "I'm playing Sorscha2," which kind of gets burned into people's heads when they start as the caster is so central to how an army plays and what game plan you have going in. It's not that often that someone tells me that they are playing Kaelyssa at the start of the game and I forget what caster they are playing halfway through. Yeah, that's basically the thing I was trying to convey with my other posts. It works with casters, because they are so important. I find other proxies very confusing, though. Hell, I even find it confusing when people use flat markers for their objectives - withut a 3D model I forget there's something there all the time! Cool conversion btw  I wouldn't be able to tell which version of Sorscha it is at all, but, as explained above, it wouldn't be possible for me to forget it anyway. |
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Aug 1, 2017 7:26:38 GMT
I honestly just hate playing against Trolls and wouldn't even know if you were using the right model anyway. I've had the following conversation more than once:
"So what are those blue guys there wielding a weapon and wearing clothes?"
- Single wound grunts
"Okay great, I charge that guy and.., he explodes!"
- Okay, roll for column
"But you said the blue guys with weapons and clothes are single wound grunts?"
- But that one is a light warbeast...
*flips table*
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wishing
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Post by wishing on Aug 1, 2017 7:54:36 GMT
Hehe. Yeah, the recognisability of conversions and proxies is clearly influenced by whether a given player recognises the original models in the first place.
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Post by Cryptix on Aug 1, 2017 15:38:43 GMT
Of course, Ret just takes that to another level. Literally all of their heavies are identical.
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Aug 1, 2017 16:38:33 GMT
Of course, Ret just takes that to another level. Literally all of their heavies are identical. And I'm actually okay with that. A heavy is a heavy, and I just assume all of the "warjacks by Apple" have guns. But Trolls are all medium bases, with no easy way to distinguish single wound chunks from multi wound elite infantry from Light Warbeasts. It's just a sea of medium base blue skinned models. |
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Aug 2, 2017 6:08:22 GMT
Ret heavies jacks are easily distinguised by their arms and the two different chassis, not that different from most other factions after the multipart plastic kits really. I find RET lights more difficult to tell apart, the Gorgon has the same arms as the Chimera, its just the head and the shoulder arcnode disc thingies that set those two apart.
But I can understand people having personal blind spots/factions. PoM jacks are all the same to me. I tend to ask what the melee reach is and whether or not it does fire or just critical fire damage.
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Post by pangurban on Aug 2, 2017 6:15:46 GMT
Of course, Ret just takes that to another level. Literally all of their heavies are identical. And I'm actually okay with that. A heavy is a heavy, and I just assume all of the "warjacks by Apple" have guns. But Trolls are all medium bases, with no easy way to distinguish single wound chunks from multi wound elite infantry from Light Warbeasts. It's just a sea of medium base blue skinned models. Extensive modding aside: medium base loincloth means beast, more clothing means warrior model. |
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Aug 2, 2017 6:56:39 GMT
I have opponents that have trouble telling the difference between a Seraph, an Angelius and Absylonia 2.
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Basically they are different sculpts. They also have different poses, but even if they had the same poses, I would still be able to tell them as different sculpts, I feel. 
I wouldn't be able to tell which version of Sorscha it is at all, but, as explained above, it wouldn't be possible for me to forget it anyway.
