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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 13:38:12 GMT
So...
I have finished Aftershock, someone else wants does and would like to discuss it?
Seems that an anti-Khador alliance is under way, and Commander Magnus seems coming (was also hinted into the keynote).
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 15, 2017 13:42:35 GMT
Well its to be expected I suppose. Khador is tge only bad guy faction that has made any gains at all, so I guess its time to take those gains away.
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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
Remembering how do you felt about Harckevich, how do you felt about Irusk razing to the ground a city, one that was pretty much converted to Khador, so with Khador citizens and not-rebel Llael citizens inside, with the purpose of killing Stryker, Magnus, and a pretty big part of their Storm Division?
If it helps gulping down the pill, Vladimir strongly opposed to that, and now Vlad and Irusk are enemies.
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Post by W0lfBane on Jul 15, 2017 14:41:47 GMT
Irusk has been an ass that doesn't care about casualties since forever
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 15, 2017 14:43:40 GMT
Remembering how do you felt about Harckevich, how do you felt about Irusk razing to the ground a city, one that was pretty much converted to Khador, so with Khador citizens and not-rebel Llael citizens inside, with the purpose of killing Stryker, Magnus, and a pretty big part of their Storm Division? Have Khador Use Cryx tech. Just Firetruck it. If they can't even be in ANY WAY REASONABLE (If still bad guys) just slap on skulls to their shoulders, give them all soul collectors, and just have them use cryx tech. Like Im just not interested anymore. Like I can't get invested in these characters because they change depending on who the protagonist of the story is. Like I read a snippet about how Strahkov tortured a suspect and he still felt in character. It felt right. He was a bad guy, but you could easily see his logical reasoning and would gladly just dump the guy if he had the data. I'm just not interested in Khadors fluff anymore. This is PURELY Cygnars story. When the camera is off of Cygnar everybody should be asking "Where is Cygnar? What important good things are they doing" If they wanted this, why not Malakov? Why not the Butcher? Why not even Zerkova, Sorcha, maybe even Kharchev or heck maybe just a no-name. But no, the guy who underwen't a character arc about no longer being a callous "Victory at any cost" jerk, has to revert back to being a crazy goon to make Cygnar look better. This is all Cygnars story (Maybe Ords), other factions just happen to be in it. Irusk has been an ass that doesn't care about casualties since forever His 2 form is literally "Im gonna stop being an Uranus". He was about to kill himself because the empress accused him of being callous.
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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 14:46:49 GMT
Actually, I forgot to mention that Malakov was inside the city.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 15, 2017 14:48:03 GMT
Actually, I forgot to mention that Malakus was inside the city. Malakus or Malakov? Ones Khadoran and one is not.
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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 14:50:00 GMT
Andrei Malakov sorry. He was baited into the city, circumventing Irusk direct orders to stay outside, to kill Stryker (and he managed to wound him).
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 15, 2017 14:52:53 GMT
Andrei Malakov sorry. He was baited into the city, circumventing Irusk direct orders to stay outside, to kill Stryker (and he managed to wound him). Wow, so the Cowardly goon decides he wants to fight in the city, whilst the guy who is supposed to be courageous and no longer a jerk wants to carpet bomb it from the outside. PP REALLY loves Cygnar I suppose. Like I get needing to loose Lael, but do they gotta break everybody's character in the process?
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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 14:57:22 GMT
Andrei Malakov sorry. He was baited into the city, circumventing Irusk direct orders to stay outside, to kill Stryker (and he managed to wound him). Wow, so the Cowardly goon decides he wants to fight in the city, whilst the guy who is supposed to be courageous and no longer a jerk wants to carpet bomb it from the outside. PP REALLY loves Cygnar I suppose. Like I get needing to loose Lael, but do they gotta break everybody's character in the process? Actually, Malakov was pretty fitting. They leveraged on him being arrogant and ambitious. Killing the Lord General of Cygnar would be an automatic promotion, so they tried to feign weakness to bait it closer. He was quite crafty, anyway, and caught them off-guard and ACTUALLY made them in a real bad position, so they had to run into the city and he run after them, managing to get close to killing Stryker before the bombing began. P.S.: About cowardice, he used his signature move (putting a WG guy in front of him to absorb a Stryker's Quicksilver blast).
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 15, 2017 15:06:20 GMT
Actually, Malakov was pretty fitting. Well, I guess that just makes for 2 messed up Khadoran characters as opposed to 3. Bless small miracles I suppose. I'm still really annoyed and disappointed, and not gonna buy any books (I actually bought the one for Butcher). Was Khador this impregnable? Like I never got the impression that Khador was so powerful that they needed to be nerfed by making them idiots. I thought that Cygnar would probably be able to defeat them the traditional way with aid of the coalition and everything.
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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 15:22:01 GMT
Actually, Malakov was pretty fitting. Well, I guess that just makes for 2 messed up Khadoran characters as opposed to 3. Bless small miracles I suppose. I'm still really annoyed and disappointed, and not gonna buy any books (I actually bought the one for Butcher). Was Khador this impregnable? Like I never got the impression that Khador was so powerful that they needed to be nerfed by making them idiots. I thought that Cygnar would probably be able to defeat them the traditional way with aid of the coalition and everything. The point was that there wasn't any coalition at that moment. Resistance was as hostile to Cygnar as it was to Khador (maybe just slightly less, to the point of actually asking to leave gun at hands before starting shooting), and Ord/Golden Crucible were strictly neutral. The coalition is starting to form now, because Khador gave a very big blow to both Cygnar and the resistance (Cygnar lost 75% of the Storm Division in the bombing, and the Resistance thousands of soldiers in the volcano purposed leak in the other city, destroying a number of resistance fighters that before weren't even tought to exist in that numbers). Irusk was ruthless, but with his clever tactic (he toyed with Cygnar being 3 or 4 moves ahead of them), but with his actions he has put Cygnar and the Resistance in a situation where, even united, without the help of the Golden Crucible they will be likely defeated, and that is even before getting the new Man od War toys on the table. That is why the coalition is being formed, he has put them in a situation where alone they have no chance. Also, for the coalition forming, Stryker had to agree with Ashlyn to do anything he can to keep Llael a sovereign state, even to the point of defying his new king if necessary, and agreed to let them chose if Queen Kaetlyn is worth to be the Llael Queen. This promise, as him and Magnus have already noticed, is likely to put him in a very risky position in Cygnar, to the point that he can be accused of Treason and switch places with Magnus... Stryker4 merc caster for the Resistance?
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Post by Korianneder on Jul 15, 2017 15:28:31 GMT
Maybe the crucible guard will come and force Khador back to their homeland, thus removing them from the game.
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Post by Aegis on Jul 15, 2017 15:28:54 GMT
In the end, the only unfitting thing was Irusk, that seemed a lot more close to his former self than to his second incarnation, accepting to kill a lot of khadorans/loyal llaleses for his ends.
That said, the keynote hinted at Irusk3, so maybe there is another change incoming.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 15, 2017 15:29:34 GMT
The coalition is starting to form now, because Khador gave a very big blow to both Cygnar and the resistance (Cygnar lost 75% of the Storm Division in the bombing, and the Resistance thousands of soldiers in the volcano purposed leak in the other city, destroying a number of resistance fighters that before weren't even tought to exist in that numbers). Irusk was ruthless, but with his clever tactic (he toyed with Cygnar being 3 or 4 moves ahead of them), but with his actions he has put Cygnar and the Resistance in a situation where, even united, without the help of the Golden Crucible they will be likely defeated, and that is even before getting the new Man od War toys on the table. Seriously? That's incredibly incompetent of Cygnar and the resistance. Did all that happen in the book? But again it still feels bittersweet as 75% might as well be 20% or 3% because PP tends to not scale numbers. They will be back at full fighting efficiency next book. But this is me whining I might actually like that as character development for a character who I did not think had his morals tested enough.
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