|
Post by Big Fat Troll on Jul 16, 2017 20:19:06 GMT
This thing already looks awesome and I want 2x for sure but I don't see it staying at 16 points, sorry guys.
|
|
|
Post by Trollock on Jul 16, 2017 20:53:45 GMT
Im not super sure that you will be taking 2... You still want a Mauler, and the EBDT is very good to initiate piece trades, since it is fast and has pathfinder and is cheap. As a third heavy you will probably go for this guy. You may want a Bomber for some ranged attacks, and only if you want a fifth heavy (and do not want a character) will you have a second one. And that is basically only in PoD. I think one will be common, but two will be a bit more rare.
|
|
|
Post by Hotwater on Jul 17, 2017 18:16:12 GMT
It's being tested at 16pts and Ornery as it's animus.
Source: CID live chat at Lock n' Load
|
|
|
Post by Warsmith on Jul 17, 2017 19:53:29 GMT
Brawler's rules just officially launched on CID per Soles.
|
|
|
Post by trollsareblue on Jul 17, 2017 21:58:56 GMT
This thing already looks awesome and I want 2x for sure but I don't see it staying at 16 points, sorry guys. I don't see why not. Its animus is highly situational, it doesn't have pathfinder or a ranged weapon. My bet is that it will remain as is.
|
|
|
Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jul 17, 2017 23:17:12 GMT
I don't think it needs to change from where it is. But that's what playtests are for!
|
|
|
Post by cayterpius on Jul 17, 2017 23:59:12 GMT
At 14 points EBDT has more interesting abilities.
At 15 points the faction defining Mauler has the faction defining animus of Rage as well as Fury 5.
Is reach and Retaliatory Strike as an animus really worth more points then both?
You'll never take him instead of the Mauler. Drop the Brawler to 14 points and then at least you have a list building choice to make when reaching (see what I did there?) for your second heavy. Or considering the POW 17, drop him to 15 points. I agree he's more powerful/offensive than the EBDT but not better than the Mauler.
The Blitzer would then also need a look as I don't see how he's worth more points than the above and I think we see that in how little he's played.
|
|
mattmcd
Junior Strategist
Posts: 521
|
Post by mattmcd on Jul 18, 2017 0:16:45 GMT
Agreed. I was just thinking... even for a 2nd beast I'd rather have a Mauler. Now against shielded enemies he's basically already raged in comparison to the mauler, but that's too situational to go down a fury, a chain attack and another rage.
|
|
|
Post by cayterpius on Jul 18, 2017 0:35:03 GMT
The comparison outside of faction is even harsher. Our heavies are dang expensive IMO.
I'm often facing 10 point heavies that are just as good as my 15 point Mauler.
Juggernaut for 12 points is the benchmark.
If I want the same ARM and P+S then I have to use Rage and I have to bring 9 points of Stone.
12 points vs 24 points for similar stats.
|
|
|
Post by macdaddy on Jul 18, 2017 2:21:35 GMT
Well warmachine jacks being cheaper than Warbeasts is a whole other argument and issue. I think he is fine at 16 points for what he is. Maybey 1 point increase if anything.
|
|
|
Post by cayterpius on Jul 18, 2017 2:31:32 GMT
That's fair and I don't want to open that can of worms. Just think people should not get faction blinkers on in CID or see our current statsu quo as the balance to aspire to.
Models and rules need to be tested and balanced against both in faction options and outside faction too.
IMO Brawler sits as is at 15 points and why not Fury 5 to boot?
Last thing we need is for CID process to take the cool new toys and drag them down instead of using the opportunity to set a new benchmark and pull things up. e.g. Champs need rule clean up and point reduction, Blitzer could use a look, Winter Troll obviously, etc.
|
|
mattmcd
Junior Strategist
Posts: 521
|
Post by mattmcd on Jul 18, 2017 2:41:14 GMT
I could actually agree with him being 15 pts, or going up 1 armor. As he is right now I'm actually on the fence on if I would even buy him or not (the answer is of course yes, I'm obviously addicted).
I honestly can't find his role when list building. Maybe wave one in battles where he out threats because of the extra inch of reach. Maybe I line him up in the middle of the board to begin and immediately shift him towards shielded enemies?
It's not as home run as I was initially feeling. Maybe he stays as is but gains thresher to help with infantry?
|
|
|
Post by Sarcastastic on Jul 18, 2017 4:04:56 GMT
I honestly can't find his role when list building. Maybe wave one in battles where he out threats because of the extra inch of reach. Maybe I line him up in the middle of the board to begin and immediately shift him towards shielded enemies? I could see that being a great niche for him. He's not as devastating a loss as the Mauler, but can do a similar amount of work, and his being a Northkin model gives him access to a speed boost too with the Northkin Elder if you're running a Northkin list without Bearka.
|
|
|
Post by cayterpius on Jul 18, 2017 4:25:58 GMT
+1 ARM and Thresher is very intriguing. That would definitely make him a more interesting option as well as have a niche role: elite/shielded infantry removal. Throw him into that 5 man unit and see who takes who out first. Rage not needed. I like it.
|
|
|
Post by Sarcastastic on Jul 18, 2017 4:42:29 GMT
+1 ARM and Thresher is very intriguing. That would definitely make him a more interesting option as well as have a niche role: elite/shielded infantry removal. Throw him into that 5 man unit and see who takes who out first. Rage not needed. I like it. At that point he's a Mangler with 2 wreckers, and given how often I field the Mangler, I am SO ok with this concept.
|
|