Deller
Junior Strategist
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Post by Deller on Jul 11, 2017 16:10:09 GMT
Adding generic mercs to themes, not sure how I feel about that. I was always a proponent of themes are restrictive, get benefits, play out of theme if you want powerful combos with other stuff. But...who am I to argue! Terminus can get his hooker back! Madame Corbeau! I'm conflicted about who he wants more, Corbeau or Wrong Eye.
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Post by Cryptix on Jul 11, 2017 16:12:51 GMT
Fun fact - under Agathia1 a single charging revenant with ragman does a POW 16 charge attack and a pow 17 normal, averaging 11(!) damage a revenant vs arm 20! 6 of them can take down a conquest :V. Where are you getting those numbers from? Agathia's only ARM Debuff is Parasite. Revenants should only be reaching pow 14/15 since the base pows are 9/10 + 3 + 2. Pow 16/17 would Require Deneghra1.
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Post by tesoe on Jul 11, 2017 17:05:16 GMT
I think allowing merc in theme is a bad idea. If for no other reason than how lopsidedly it effects some faction vs others.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 11, 2017 19:18:52 GMT
Fun fact - under Agathia1 a single charging revenant with ragman does a POW 16 charge attack and a pow 17 normal, averaging 11(!) damage a revenant vs arm 20! 6 of them can take down a conquest :V. Where are you getting those numbers from? Agathia's only ARM Debuff is Parasite. Revenants should only be reaching pow 14/15 since the base pows are 9/10 + 3 + 2. Pow 16/17 would Require Deneghra1. that's still not bad by any means.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 11, 2017 19:20:45 GMT
Where are you getting those numbers from? Agathia's only ARM Debuff is Parasite. Revenants should only be reaching pow 14/15 since the base pows are 9/10 + 3 + 2. Pow 16/17 would Require Deneghra1. 9/10 + "3" parasite + 2 death shroud. what am I missing?
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Post by Cryptix on Jul 11, 2017 19:37:28 GMT
Gang. Pistols have Point Blank so they benefit from it as well.
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 11, 2017 19:46:52 GMT
i honestly cant pick up more minis. i have a huge library of cryx i need to paint. i have a couple circle lists i need to paint. i have the original CoC and Ceph all in ones i need to base/put together/paint.
i have zombicide black plague i *could* paint.
then, i have massive darkness, kdm, and gloomheaven coming.
i honestly dont know why i do this to myself.
i actually enjoy painting...i just cant...
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Kavrae
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Post by Kavrae on Jul 11, 2017 19:48:09 GMT
So just to see if I understand this right, as it's not very clear.... Via the current CID Mercenaries are now allowed in theme forces and the theme forces have been rewritten to be more clear about whether or not they count as free models, gain theme benefits, or count towards theme points specifically by referencing "faction" models where necessary?
If so... this is going to take some reevaluation on a lot of stuff here. Is Scaverous now more viable in the themes since he can take WE+SJ and Croes again? Should the Ghost Fleet take Ragman for better hitting power (points are tight, so probably not)? Should my Asphyxious2 Dark Host army take Gorman for even more cloud shenanigans? This also means I could put Madelyn in a Terminus driven Infernal Machines or Dark Host list again. Also, hello Ogrun Bokur or Orin on my squishy casters.
End result... I don't think this focus on themes is a good idea. But if it's the direction they're going for, then this change is the only way those mercs are going to get used.
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Post by Cryptix on Jul 11, 2017 19:50:10 GMT
They've already updated it so mercs can't be free or give free points.
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Post by tesoe on Jul 11, 2017 20:33:31 GMT
i honestly cant pick up more minis. i have a huge library of cryx i need to paint. i have a couple circle lists i need to paint. i have the original CoC and Ceph all in ones i need to base/put together/paint. i have zombicide black plague i *could* paint. then, i have massive darkness, kdm, and gloomheaven coming. i honestly dont know why i do this to myself. i actually enjoy painting...i just cant... I know what you mean. Cephalyx all in one, two Cryx all in ones, Ret all in one, the new khador all in one, ton of individual models, CoC army my roommate and I ebayed, and three reaper bones Kickstarter I could paint if I wanted to. It's an endless battle.
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Kavrae
Junior Strategist
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Post by Kavrae on Jul 11, 2017 20:37:01 GMT
My list is fairly short. Finish basing and sealing my Bane Riders, repaint Bane Warriors and Deathjack, start Asphyxious 2, Goreshade 3, Cankerworm, and Bane UA. Then start buying my Revenants. The trouble comes when it takes me 10-20 hours per caster or unit
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 11, 2017 20:41:10 GMT
My list is fairly short. Finish basing and sealing my Bane Riders, repaint Bane Warriors and Deathjack, start Asphyxious 2, Goreshade 3, Cankerworm, and Bane UA. Then start buying my Revenants. The trouble comes when it takes me 10-20 hours per caster or unit i dropped my dj and now i feel like he wont every be the same. hes converted to look like his art in the mk2 cryx book. so, if they ever come out with him in plastic/whatever, ill probably get it. but really, i love gaspy2s model. probably the first thing im going to paint after *if* i clean off my current painting table.
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Kavrae
Junior Strategist
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Post by Kavrae on Jul 11, 2017 20:56:05 GMT
My list is fairly short. Finish basing and sealing my Bane Riders, repaint Bane Warriors and Deathjack, start Asphyxious 2, Goreshade 3, Cankerworm, and Bane UA. Then start buying my Revenants. The trouble comes when it takes me 10-20 hours per caster or unit i dropped my dj and now i feel like he wont every be the same. hes converted to look like his art in the mk2 cryx book. so, if they ever come out with him in plastic/whatever, ill probably get it. but really, i love gaspy2s model. probably the first thing im going to paint after *if* i clean off my current painting table. The model itself I really like. The base with the weird thin spiral attached to a larger disc... not so much. I want to do something else with it and retain the souls, but I haven't decided what.
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Post by tesoe on Jul 11, 2017 23:40:22 GMT
I love my DJ. First miniature I owned. My GF surprised me with it after she saw me looking at it in our LGS. He's painted up with my Testors model paints, because that's all I had at the time. I think sentimentally will keep me from ever repainting or replacing him.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 12, 2017 7:27:20 GMT
i dropped my dj and now i feel like he wont every be the same. hes converted to look like his art in the mk2 cryx book. so, if they ever come out with him in plastic/whatever, ill probably get it. but really, i love gaspy2s model. probably the first thing im going to paint after *if* i clean off my current painting table. The model itself I really like. The base with the weird thin spiral attached to a larger disc... not so much. I want to do something else with it and retain the souls, but I haven't decided what. He's impossible to transport and even if you're really careful, the souls still break off all the time. Really great model though, if you can keep it safe.
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