Answering Ghost Fleet - an adapted Sorscha1 Ocean's 18 list

If I were building to counter Ghost Fleet I personally would use Sorscha 2. If you use Shatterstorm to Remove from play the Leader of each unit, they cannot use death bound anymore, once they lose that you have taken away the main strength of the list.

Unfortunately her feat isn't as functional into ghost fleet as damage over arm isn't the issue, it's hitting them (another point for Sorscha1). I am a little sceptical about bringing a caster for a single spell, especially with the zero arc nodes in khador. I built the above with the aim of clearing a unit in a turn, or making stationary those left over. Between Kell, Eiryss, Orin, and Widow makers +Marksman there's a lot of shots (some magical) going into the advancing cryx.



I need to read up on how the unit activates when they are stationary, and then under go recursion. I would presume the first section​ of the unit that was stationary remains so, and the newly generated unit members are fine?

Some quick thoughts.......

A) Victor over Conquest (and likely inclusion of Artillerist)

When Cryx runs Ghost Fleet with Denny you REALLY want the ability to destealth her. You MASSIVELY take away a lot of her attrition game by having S1's feat live as a deterrent to force her to stay back. Absent destealth you run the risk of her laughing at you, using her feat and debuffs to keep anything threatening back >5 inches.

B) You have to play SMART with the doomreavers. I think it vital that you......

i)  Minimize the number of aimed shots by rifle dudes and pistol wraiths pre-feat turn.  Fog will help against the PWs (needing 8s).  The Rifles may have to CRAs to hit Def 13.  You need to get as many into the mix as possible alive

ii)  Remember the recursion and stationary interactions.  FROZEN leaders can NOT issue orders.  However, recursion models CAN take a movement and action even if the rest of the unit is frozen.

iii)  The above is one of the reasons, like others, that I like S2 over S1.  Yes.  You have to HIT def 13 Rev. Crew members.   But if you can Shatterstorm them out you are going to make your life SO much easier in this game.  Otherwise I think you get overwhelemed a lot of the time.

C)  While a high(er) learning curve what about Z1 or OW for this match up?  Ghost shot DOES NOT ignore stealth (OW) and you have some great tech to deal with the pirates to force them out.  No souls for OW but CMD 7 and 2-3 units of Pirates means you PROBABLY have some mulching that Scrappy can do.  Z1 can aggressively feat - in most Crxy only the Kraken can fire from outside threat.  You can use the clouds to deny LOS to all but the rifledudes.  You can lob a hex blast or 2 using the artifacts where you need to put them.  You DO have to get work done on feat turn because after that Z1 feels pretty squishy into the recursive "fun" of the rifle dudes.

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Ultimately I think the right answer right now is S2 _IN WINTER GUARD THEME_.   Shatter storm helps.  Desperate pace helps.  Your ability to Sac pawn ghost shots into WG dudes and dudettes is fairly massive for the list. Do NOT discount the personal threat range she has which will essentially end the game right then and there (6 for Cyclone, 11 for BC charge and then 2 inch reach for 19 non-linear.  Your Infantry can minifeat and spray out a ton of dudes.   You don't have a GREAT answer to blackbane BUT you do have the magical blasts from shatterstorm so you probably force even more spread out units that will have a harder time concentrating fire.  Try to knockdown bone chicken with the Field gun and then apply rockets.  

I would drop Eiryss and Wardog to include the A&H and Gobber tinker. Eiryss is not point-effective at shooting anything, she's only good for killing caster. And you won't be killing Denny since you have no anti-stealth tech.

I don't know about doomie concept. It will probably fail miserably against Denny feat+ton of shooting, but you never know, those pirates are short ranged and low rat and have to deal with colossal shooting and S1 feat.

My personal piece of tech against gunlines is Vlad 1. Good at keeping your stuff alive with Windwall, good at closing distance with feat. He actually can deliver the doomies in this list unharmed. Vlad3 would probably even be better for doomies and he even has sick feat combo with Fenris.

Pirates are rat4 thankfully. They need 9s to hit def 13. They can cra at range 14" however.

unfortunately for the gun carriage, we'll be on the old rules. that doesnt stop a mad flanking gun carriage, but still.


in other thoughts. am i mad to look at Butcher2 and those waves of infantry littering the table... ?

I think Butcher 2, Old Witch, or Zerkova 1 or 2 are fantastic choices for this type of fight. I'm personally on a Butcher 2 kick, so I'll be running him for a while. But the OW and Z1 have been really good in Mk 3.