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Seriously, what the hell happened? Did they really just think 5 new models, 2 of which are attachments and one a character beast, was good enough? Did they not think that including the actual original Ogrun caster was a good idea?

Sure, the new rules are all "for the better", and a few under performing models were bumped a bit. But the main faction issues remain and tons more crappy models that were playable in theme weren't even addressed.

If you are on the CiD forums, you can read that basically people are "happy with some of the changes they got" or "wanted more and are disappointed", but NO ONE is defending the pitifully small scope of the CiD. I don't think I really need to argue that point.

What I am curious is what was PP's reasoning? Did they run out of ideas for Blighted Ogrun models? Did they think that Teraphs were working as intended? What happened?

Many people said that PP did not have a clear idea of what they wanted our faction identity to be right after mk3 dropped. Than the big theme drop hit and many more people said the same thing. Now this CiD hit and I can't help but ask the same question. It feels it was done with a "let's get this done as quickly and with as little work as possible so we can move on to other things" attitude. But maybe I'm missing something?

Don't get me wrong, I think there is a pretty good PT list out there. Like, one of them. With a caster that you can swap out for variation but really should probably just be Anamag. So... What gives? Why is this CiD so much smaller in scope and with much less input (or actual changes, for that matter) than the others?

I imagine the lack of "holy crap that is strong" in this CiD is a factor of the following (in order of how strongly they factor):

1. Being one of the later CiDs, the devs and the players are more wary of power creep. Everyone is ticked off at the Battle Engine and Cryx CiDs as being too strong, so the devs are trying not to compound to problem and the players are trying to prevent it from happening again.
2. Being one of the later CiDs, many faction poster-boys got tired of waiting for an update and left, so there are less people clamoring for "good things" and less people testing. So we end up with the players testing as the ones who have already learned how to make Legion work for them, or who have just "gotten used to it". Case in point: someone argued that the Carnivean should be RAT 4 again because "it felt wrong for him to be able to use his spray". Not because it was too powerful, or made other models less desirable, but because they just preferred their models to not be good because they had gotten used to it. Stockholm?
3. Douchebags, know-it-all's, trolls, and amateurs. Nuff said.
4. The smaller scope of this CiD gives the devs less tools to work with, and many of them are just never exciting. Look at the utter lack luster response to the Rotwings. There simply isn't that much new going into this theme, and many of the ideas are flatly uninteresting. Really, why isn't Thagrosh 1 involved? I don't know if he needs fixing, but he's THE Ogrun caster. You'd figure they'd at least want players to test him and see how well he works in his own damn theme. The devs put this on themselves, much like they did with our weirdo themes during the theme drop. I still don't think they have a great idea of what they want Legion to be in Mk3, that or they just don't have much interest in actually doing much with us in the first place.

Post pdfs please...

What hordes faction and/or individual warbeasts do you guys think has/are (mostly) appropriately costed beasts? I am curious as to what we all think the baseline should be.

From my perspective, it's Skorne (almost across the board except for their Gargantuans and the Canoneer). Circle has some beasts I'm extremely jealous of (namely all their Satyrs). And of course, Grymkin.

I actually appreciate the difference between our flyer speeds vs our landies. To me it always felt silly that flyers were nearly the same speed. If I look at it from a purely "aesthetics informing mechanics" perspective, that is. They don't "look" that fast to me, though I guess 4 legs should mean something other than "walks over fences better". Eh, moot. We'll see if they ever become worth it.

I mean, sure? The difference between def 11 and 1 is almost negligible, especially since the few things that might not hit Def 11 would never be a threat to it anyway. It matters only for Fyanna2 and Abby1, and even for them, it is a mistake to bank more than a third of your army's survival on the Def 13-14 they might have.

My point being, def 11 on a gargantua is really no better than Def 11 on anything else. Anything that is going to attack it is going to hit it. It's like being the world's tallest midget: what good does that do you? You're still a midget.

If we are SOME how trying to pretend that Spd5 as something that can reasonably be described as "fast" in the fluff, can anyone cite any fluff that describes any other Spd5 models as fast?

For example, is the Ironclad, Stormclad, or Nomad described as fast?