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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Apr 27, 2017 18:01:05 GMT
-4Shade - Seems good. Only thing I could ask for is a damage buff but other wise he has everything. Love Hex blast for upkeep hate. Love Mage Sight for stealth hate. Feat is a bit underwhelming but is a middling defensive feat. I can see it being a good "Jam-my-shit-in-your-face" type of disruption feat. Ghost Walked Imperatus is going to get places your opponent isn't going to like  -Hemera - Seems like a really interesting option for focus starved casters. 4 phantoms hunters a turn for Kaelyssa? PS15 is mopey but wrecking face isn't her job. Crit-dispel MIGTH be relevant with Issyria but damn do I hate crit effects. -Aelyth....Ryssovass Solo dude - PS12 WM with precision strike. Last word combined with steady is money. Hard seems corner case I'm not sure how much I care about it or giving it to the Ryssovass. -Priest of Nyssor - Not sure if 4pts to give Nyss +1 to hit and Cold immunity is worth it. He seems ok though. -Arcanist Unit - Not much beyond what was spoiled. Units with Empower and repair. A magic nuke with MAG5 is pretty underwhelming but it's pretty much always plan B or lower so it's fine. Ret now has the ability to bring an unprecedented amount of focus support to the table. -Ellowuyr Swordsmen CA Give Practiced maneuvers and Mini feat (Defensive Strike) I really like the mini feat. It will be super punishing for anyone trying to alpha strike or Jam the swordsmen with infantry. Can;t decide if its worth 5 pts though. I helps that the Flag has a weapon. -Ryssovass Defneders - Same threat range as Sentinels but don;t hit as hard. Defensive line for DEF14 no KD an tough is a great combo. Ilike the internal synergy this unit has. Precision strike means they are 99% as effective against Jacks/beasts as sentinels are. I would love to see them get a CA to differentiate them from Sents a bit more. Maybe an upcoming Nyss Theme book? If none of the Nyss units are in the Command book I will consider that Confirmed, -Spears of Scyrah - Yay. the have boxes. Not sure if it will matter but I hate the squishiness of single box 3-man units. Shield guard + Vengeance is cute but you really are sacrificing one of them if you ever use shield guard. Duelist is cool DEF17 in melee is ball-busting. I want to attach Eiryss3 to these guys. I really hope they don't change her to not work on FA:C unis. Put some of the spears near likely targets, shield guard of a shot to trigger vengeance and give Eiryss an extra 3" of threat range. Win. -Fane Knight Guardian - ARM 20 shield guard with Guard Dog. Seems decent. Some casters will probably look a taking this guy instead of Sylys. Theme Forces -Houseguard Theme. Advance Move for Halbs!! Solos and SFAs with Repo!!!!! Free solos for taking HG. Including Free Issyen. Sweet holy baby jesus this theme looks busted in the best possible way. -Mage hunter theme - Free Solos for taking units and attachments. "Better Takedown" and +1 to starting roll. seems ok but how do you actually build a list with it? Needs Magehunter Cav. <_< >_> We will definitely be discussing the new releases more in depth on the podcast this week. |
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Post by sunrunner on Apr 27, 2017 18:20:12 GMT
Yeah its looking like every thing is at least good, maybe not gonna become a new mandatory and going in very list, but everything is going to see play I think. I will say that I think with some hot dice the new Nyss character solo is going to be a terror. Steady+Last Word+ Tough on a Mat 8 Pow 12 Reach weapon master is going to be a thing. Ohh no's I got hit and took damage and am no disabled, guess I will last word to move 3 inches immune to free strikes and take my basic attack, now that I have murdered something guess I will make that tough roll and possibly live. 1st time some one makes 2 or 3 tough rolls in a row and carves a good chunk outta an infantry squad will make people reluctant to go after him I think.
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Apr 27, 2017 18:31:35 GMT
Yeah its looking like every thing is at least good, maybe not gonna become a new mandatory and going in very list, but everything is going to see play I think. I will say that I think with some hot dice the new Nyss character solo is going to be a terror. Steady+Last Word+ Tough on a Mat 8 Pow 12 Reach weapon master is going to be a thing. Ohh no's I got hit and took damage and am no disabled, guess I will last word to move 3 inches immune to free strikes and take my basic attack, now that I have murdered something guess I will make that tough roll and possibly live. 1st time some one makes 2 or 3 tough rolls in a row and carves a good chunk outta an infantry squad will make people reluctant to go after him I think. Holy shit. I missed that it worked that way. That's amazing. I feel like that might have been a mistake but I will gladly abuse the shit of it until it gets changed. |
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Post by Demeritus on Apr 27, 2017 18:33:07 GMT
I am pleased with our new releases, nothing jumps out like the next coming of Haley, but it all seems playable and solid. Hemera is probably our best release and she (for me at least) has basically put the nail in the coffin on the Phoenix sadly. G4 looks fun and interesting, I do wish he had a mechanic to generate some extra focus for revive purposes but overall I have no major complaints about him. All in all it is definitely a sold set of releases, and I am happy to be a Retribution player.
The "character" unit is our weakest release but I think with G4 they have game since it is the normal Leader & Grunts, you can revive them to continue with their shield guard shenanigans.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Apr 27, 2017 18:48:56 GMT
Yeah its looking like every thing is at least good, maybe not gonna become a new mandatory and going in very list, but everything is going to see play I think. I will say that I think with some hot dice the new Nyss character solo is going to be a terror. Steady+Last Word+ Tough on a Mat 8 Pow 12 Reach weapon master is going to be a thing. Ohh no's I got hit and took damage and am no disabled, guess I will last word to move 3 inches immune to free strikes and take my basic attack, now that I have murdered something guess I will make that tough roll and possibly live. 1st time some one makes 2 or 3 tough rolls in a row and carves a good chunk outta an infantry squad will make people reluctant to go after him I think. Holy hell I did not notice that. That's amazing. |
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Post by Akeley on Apr 27, 2017 19:02:25 GMT
It looks like Hemera can stack its reposition with Helynna's RoW for a nice 6" movement post activation (albeit not all at once)
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Post by psycomonky on Apr 27, 2017 19:05:54 GMT
Yeah its looking like every thing is at least good, maybe not gonna become a new mandatory and going in very list, but everything is going to see play I think. I will say that I think with some hot dice the new Nyss character solo is going to be a terror. Steady+Last Word+ Tough on a Mat 8 Pow 12 Reach weapon master is going to be a thing. Ohh no's I got hit and took damage and am no disabled, guess I will last word to move 3 inches immune to free strikes and take my basic attack, now that I have murdered something guess I will make that tough roll and possibly live. 1st time some one makes 2 or 3 tough rolls in a row and carves a good chunk outta an infantry squad will make people reluctant to go after him I think. Tough is on boxed, before disabled. Thats why so fee things get past it. |
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Post by psycomonky on Apr 27, 2017 19:07:27 GMT
Im really unimpressed by the nyss defenders. Def 12 nyss???
They have weaker stats than sentinels and 2 damage less is a big deal over 5-10 guys. I feel like sentinels are the better choice virtually every time. Tough is cute but 12/15 means they will be shot to hell on the approach quite easily.
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Post by SeBM on Apr 27, 2017 19:17:09 GMT
I'm not super excited. The Defenders of Ios theme is nice, I'm not sure I'll buy more Halberdiers though. Hemera is good as well, I disagree on her killing the Phoenix, she is a pretty bad beatstick and in theme, only Issyria can take her. The Guardian is nice while the Spears of Scyrah, while not bad, are so generic and a little lackluster. Lord Ghyrrshyld is ok, I was really hoping for more.
It's not a bad release wave, but with so many models coming out, I was really hoping for one or two release to make me go WOW!
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Apr 27, 2017 19:28:52 GMT
Yeah its looking like every thing is at least good, maybe not gonna become a new mandatory and going in very list, but everything is going to see play I think. I will say that I think with some hot dice the new Nyss character solo is going to be a terror. Steady+Last Word+ Tough on a Mat 8 Pow 12 Reach weapon master is going to be a thing. Ohh no's I got hit and took damage and am no disabled, guess I will last word to move 3 inches immune to free strikes and take my basic attack, now that I have murdered something guess I will make that tough roll and possibly live. 1st time some one makes 2 or 3 tough rolls in a row and carves a good chunk outta an infantry squad will make people reluctant to go after him I think. Tough is on boxed, before disabled. Thats why so fee things get past it. Not anymore it isn't, just checked the PDF in War Room. "When this model is disabled", pg 17 of the PDF. |
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Apr 27, 2017 19:30:54 GMT
Yeah its looking like every thing is at least good, maybe not gonna become a new mandatory and going in very list, but everything is going to see play I think. I will say that I think with some hot dice the new Nyss character solo is going to be a terror. Steady+Last Word+ Tough on a Mat 8 Pow 12 Reach weapon master is going to be a thing. Ohh no's I got hit and took damage and am no disabled, guess I will last word to move 3 inches immune to free strikes and take my basic attack, now that I have murdered something guess I will make that tough roll and possibly live. 1st time some one makes 2 or 3 tough rolls in a row and carves a good chunk outta an infantry squad will make people reluctant to go after him I think. Tough is on boxed, before disabled. Thats why so fee things get past it. They both happen on disabled so you can pick the order they trigger. |
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Post by SeBM on Apr 27, 2017 19:37:49 GMT
I don't know, it seems like you are relying on tough to get more mileage out of him, and he's only speed 5 at the end of the day, without Pathfinder.
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Post by Kallas on Apr 27, 2017 19:40:47 GMT
Tough is on boxed, before disabled. Thats why so fee things get past it. No, it isn't. Tough is on Disabled ( Tough - When this model is disabled, roll a d6 [...]") However, the wording is unclear - both Tough and Last Word trigger when a model is disabled (Step 10b) and since Last Word is not an 'after the attack is resolved effect' I think the reading possibly is correct that you can make the Last Word move/attack then take your Tough check. If that is the case, the Aelyth Vyr just went up in my estimations. Without it he seems ok but not amazing. |
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Post by lyrael on Apr 27, 2017 19:43:28 GMT
So I'm not the only person who's not that excited by too many of the new releases.
Goreshade4 is probably the most disappointing, just because he seems in 'middle of the road' territory. He's definitely not bad, but him having 2 spells that will rarely see use (because I think Revive is a fluff spell that will be on par with Backlash, and from my ton of Kaelyssa play, I struggle to remember the last time I cast Backlash on ANYTHING). I was really pulling for him to get Mortality, just because I think it is the debuff that makes the most sense, and allows for options that we didn't have before, as Ret still doesn't have grievous wounds on anyone yet (other than a crit effect on Banshee), so someone that has it on a stick is pretty damn huge. Good news is that it is fixable, and I think swapping Backlash for Mortality is the single change I'd suggest to make him more exciting than he is.
The most impressive thing about the two new melee units is that they don't step on each others toes, and each have different tech (one has a buff against melee, the other against ranged). They do enough interesting things to where I think its not simply 'they're worse Sentinels', and we'll see if either of them see more play as is.
Honestly, the only thing that really has me excited about these spoilers is that from seeing 0 of the new Nyss stuff in a theme force, I guess that's our new theme book. Hopefully we get an outsized release again, because I'd really like some Nyss casters, a few Nyss warjacks (pair of heavies and a pair of lights would be nice), and some more units and solos. I've wanted to run an unblighted Nyss army for some time, and here's hoping that comes true, because that kind of excites me more than the stuff on offer in the Ret command book.
The theme forces seem decent, but I have a hard time getting excited about those. The best parts about them are the 'free solo if you have X points of _____ ', which remind me too much of optimization problems in calculus, which aren't fun, they're just math.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Apr 27, 2017 19:51:11 GMT
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