wags
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Post by wags on May 13, 2017 13:31:49 GMT
sorry noob question. how can strakhov 2 feat prevent special attacks from happening? and so you guys have a sr 1 JotW list for opponents like Legion or would you prefer to Play LoS into that. hitting Legion beasts with Mat 7 jacks looks like a pure gamble to me. It's not really a gamble as our cheap heavies hit so hard that they only need to hit once or twice to do what you need so you can spend focus to boost the hit rather than buying. Boost a combo smite from a marauder and you're dice +3 for damage on an angel. Even under fyanna feat you're hitting 63% of the time when boosting your mat 7, so it's not terrible. There is also Sorcha who fixes the problem entirely. |
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Post by borderprince on May 14, 2017 4:42:06 GMT
hitting Legion beasts with Mat 7 jacks looks like a pure gamble to me. Sorcha1 is one solution. Butcher1 also works. You actually get to cast Full Throttle! The disadvantage with both of these is the fairly short threat ranges on their jacks, which can make both tricky to use against Legion. You have to bear that in mind at all times. |
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on May 15, 2017 17:36:20 GMT
hitting Legion beasts with Mat 7 jacks looks like a pure gamble to me. Sorcha1 is one solution. Butcher1 also works. You actually get to cast Full Throttle! The disadvantage with both of these is the fairly short threat ranges on their jacks, which can make both tricky to use against Legion. You have to bear that in mind at all times. Sorscha1 likes to die a lot against Legion. Wind Rush is no defense against determined assassination attempts so she has to play way in the back, especially against Lylyth3. |
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Post by Goodykat on May 17, 2017 4:18:40 GMT
so what caster would you prefer into Legion. tonight i will give sr2 in LoS a try. or is sr1 in JotW better? this would be my pairing anyway... i guess its hard to Trigger overrun vs. Legion
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Post by Cryptix on May 17, 2017 4:21:55 GMT
Butcher1 MoW list I think. Good armor cracking, nice box skew, and can still bring a lot of jacks.
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Post by Goodykat on May 19, 2017 5:00:46 GMT
so irusk 1 MoW or Jackheavy like harkevich, karchev or sr1 ? im rot pretty battered from our Legion Player with fyanna 2 in oracles... trying to find a Solution
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Post by borderprince on May 19, 2017 6:24:17 GMT
Something I forgot to mention earlier - cavalry are a useful solution to high DEF due to the boosted charge attack. Charging Uhlans hit DEF17 fairly easily. Charging Drakhuns even easier.
Whichever caster you run, if you're out of theme then 2 Drakhuns might be worth it against Fyanna2. They can countercharge a beast each, probably hit with a P+S14 + 4D6 attack. Legion beasts are fairly squishy, so that has a good shot of taking out an aspect.
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Post by goodk4t on May 30, 2017 5:23:15 GMT
War Room Army
Khador - Strakhov 1 JotW
Theme: Jaws of the Wolf
4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kommander Oleg Strakhov - WJ: +28
- War Dog - PC: 0
- Behemoth - PC: 25 (Battlegroup Points Used: 25)
- Juggernaut - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3)
- Marauder - PC: 10
- Grolar - PC: 18
- Juggernaut - PC: 12
- Kodiak - PC: 13
- Marauder - PC: 10
Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0
Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 0
Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 0
Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3
THEME: Jaws of the Wolf
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GENERATED : 05/30/2017 07:19:38
BUILD ID : 2042.17-05-22
so i want to give this list a try tonight. its against a toned down fyanna2 OoA list (only 1 neraph, 2 angeli, 1 scythean, 1 seraph, BFS ans a lot of Support). how do you play this matchup? so you guys brick up and wait for an opportunity to feat early and get a good alpha or take the Alpha and do it the khadorian way?
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Post by auraco on May 30, 2017 17:49:50 GMT
Take the alpha and do it the khadoran way, using the feat early is just begging to be killed. Strakhov1's feat in this case is better kept as a late game threat if you ask me.
Please keep us posted about how the list perform, I'm curious about Strakhov1 in jaws of the wolf but haven't had time to run it yet.
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Post by haraldtorvatn on May 30, 2017 19:48:41 GMT
My main legion opponent has been using a list lately which has caused me a lot of problems:
Absylonia 2
3xRavagores
Carnivean
Naga Nightlurker
Seraph
2xSorceress on Helion
2xForsaken
Spell martyr
2x shepherds
(There may be minor differences, for example fewer forsaken and more shepherds/martyrs)
When I am outside of his mele treath ranges, he shoots. 3 ravagores shoots a lot. When I enter his treath ranges, he feats and charges. Ravagores is not a very good mele warbeast, but it can make seven attacks (they charge for free) and with +2st from absylonias feat, they generally manges to kill one jack each (especially since my jacks tend to be damaged by ravagore fire).
Their threath ranges is very good: Under Absylonias feat alone, they can charge something 10” away. If she can kill something, it becomes 12” (Exactly as far as a non-reach Khador jack threatens when Vlad1 or Strakov1 feats), two beasts can be slipstreamed for an additional 2”. Since they can fly (absylonias feat), the first ones to charge can kill my frontline, and the others can fly past them to kill whatever I placed further back.
The carnivean can be arm 22 if it need to (which it may need if I bait him with one jack, and he use that ravagore to kill that jack after it has been softened up by ravagores).
The ravagores can see stealth, and even if I bring blast immune infantery (or rather a caster which makes them blast immune) they still control my infantery, because they leve hazards which kills my infantery if they enter.
The Sorceress have frost bite and wind ravager, just like our koldun lords, but are far more mobile and robust. They can land near a winter guard unit and shut it down (killing the 14/16 8 boxes sorceress is not easy for the winter guard when they cannot shoot). They can also go solo hunting or go around the flanks to spray shield guarded infantery from the rear. And if they have not done one of those things, they tend to block my charge lanes in a critical moment.
Vlad 1 rocket spam seems to be a possible way to defeat it but I do not own enough rockets, and I would like to know that the motherland had at least one other way to defeat this. Any ideas?
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Post by borderprince on May 31, 2017 8:05:46 GMT
My main legion opponent has been using a list lately which has caused me a lot of problems: Absylonia 2 3xRavagores Carnivean Naga Nightlurker Seraph 2xSorceress on Helion 2xForsaken Spell martyr 2x shepherds (There may be minor differences, for example fewer forsaken and more shepherds/martyrs) When I am outside of his mele treath ranges, he shoots. 3 ravagores shoots a lot. When I enter his treath ranges, he feats and charges. Ravagores is not a very good mele warbeast, but it can make seven attacks (they charge for free) and with +2st from absylonias feat, they generally manges to kill one jack each (especially since my jacks tend to be damaged by ravagore fire). Their threath ranges is very good... Vlad 1 rocket spam seems to be a possible way to defeat it but I do not own enough rockets, and I would like to know that the motherland had at least one other way to defeat this. Any ideas? It's not that hard hitting a list, if you build your list for resilience. Lots of jacks and/or multi-wound models. If you don't want a jack-heavy list, consider Irusk1 or Kozlov with MoW Shocktroopers (Vlad2 could also work, but I don't think is as effective). In shield wall a Carnivean cannot reliably take out a single Shocktrooper without boosting damage, even more so if you have an ARM buff. Ravagores become much less effective as melee beasts. Add some cavalry. Drakhuns with counter-charge can help with the threat range issue as they can threaten taking out an aspect when a Legion beast moves into counter-charge range. A unit of Uhlans threat 13" on the charge. With a damage buff from Irusk1 or Kozlov, a few charging Uhlans have reasonable odds of taking out a legion beast unless its ARM has been buffed, which forces the Legion player to be more cautious. Fill up with jacks. Quantity over quality here, so Marauders, Juggernauts and Kodiaks. If you have points, some snipers to target support/solos might be handy. Essentially, you want to make the game a grind. If Legion cannot break your list on the feat turn, you should be able to hit back hard enough to remove a critical mass of beasts. |
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on May 31, 2017 8:16:52 GMT
You can smash that Abby list with Karchev and 8+ Marauders. We have exactly one reliable way of dealing with Karchev spamming cheap heavies and that's Fyanna2 Oracles and it still isn't better than 50/50 for Legion.
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Post by Netherby on May 31, 2017 11:15:24 GMT
Absylonia2 is pretty annoying, not Fyanna2 level annoying though.
Don't give her stuff to trigger the on kill effects of Alpha Hunter and you greatly reduce the threat extension she provides. Can be difficult since a Spell Martyred Hex Bolt is an option.
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Post by haraldtorvatn on May 31, 2017 13:33:52 GMT
Absylonia2 is pretty annoying, not Fyanna2 level annoying though. Don't give her stuff to trigger the on kill effects of Alpha Hunter and you greatly reduce the threat extension she provides. Can be difficult since a Spell Martyred Hex Bolt is an option. I know, to do that I need to go jack heavy. Next attempt will be jack heavy Karchev. Unfortunately she outthreats him even without killing something, I still think it will be the best I can do. I will have to do it with a mix of marauders, jugernauts, Kodiaks and devastators, as I do not own eight marauders. |
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Jun 1, 2017 2:51:43 GMT
I always feel comfortable playing Strak1 into Legion.
You can play him jack heavy in Jaws or out of theme with some jacks and ulhans.
If it's gonna be your off list you can also think about AKs as they don't care about most legion beast shooting ether, and their gas grenades are good at keeping beasts from healing before they go
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