Growl
Junior Strategist
Posts: 496
|
Post by Growl on May 10, 2017 12:31:59 GMT
I've yet to play into this nasty Legion list, but I was wondering what you would think about my Sorscha1 list;
War Room Army
Khador - Sorscha
Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army
Kommander Sorscha - WJ: +29 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Victor - PC: 38 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29)
Saxon Orrik - PC: 4 Fenris - PC: 9 Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 7 Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan - PC: 3
Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13
Yes Victor has a BIG target on his head, but the Doomreavers are fast, have Spell Ward, have reach so they are hard to fly over to get at Victor, they have pretty high MAT, can hit pretty hard, have tough, and if he spends Beast attacks to kill one Doomreaver that's a good trade for me. Furthermore, with Sorscha's FEAT, she can cut down high def targets, stops admonition and is pretty hard to hit overall. I'm not sure how much damage the Legion list can put on Victor in one turn? Obviously I would like to avoid having Victor one rounded.
|
|
|
Post by Armchair Warrior on May 10, 2017 14:23:04 GMT
I've yet to play into this nasty Legion list, but I was wondering what you would think about my Sorscha1 list; War Room Army Khador - Sorscha Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army Kommander Sorscha - WJ: +29 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Victor - PC: 38 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) Saxon Orrik - PC: 4 Fenris - PC: 9 Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 7 Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 13 Yes Victor has a BIG target on his head, but the Doomreavers are fast, have Spell Ward, have reach so they are hard to fly over to get at Victor, they have pretty high MAT, can hit pretty hard, have tough, and if he spends Beast attacks to kill one Doomreaver that's a good trade for me. Furthermore, with Sorscha's FEAT, she can cut down high def targets, stops admonition and is pretty hard to hit overall. I'm not sure how much damage the Legion list can put on Victor in one turn? Obviously I would like to avoid having Victor one rounded. The angelius with fury charges for free and does 5 attacks for 11d6+35. I dislike those odds.
|
|
|
Post by welshhoppo on May 10, 2017 14:49:07 GMT
You know only the first attack is AP? An Angel ain't taking down Connie in one turn.
|
|
|
Post by Cryptix on May 10, 2017 14:53:26 GMT
I don't blame him, thanks to PP's inconsistency with AP. On Behemoth it's free, but on most others its an action.
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 10, 2017 14:55:22 GMT
There's a reason Behemoth costs 25pts
|
|
|
Post by Armchair Warrior on May 10, 2017 15:34:00 GMT
You know only the first attack is AP? An Angel ain't taking down Connie in one turn. WTF?!?! I soooo didn't realize that.
|
|
|
Post by welshhoppo on May 10, 2017 17:58:01 GMT
You know only the first attack is AP? An Angel ain't taking down Connie in one turn. WTF?!?! I soooo didn't realize that. Yeah it's a special attack. Say, don't we have a certain warcaster with a frosty disposition and one eye that has a feat that prevents special attacks?
|
|
|
Post by Cryptix on May 10, 2017 18:01:43 GMT
WTF?!?! I soooo didn't realize that. Yeah it's a special attack. Say, don't we have a certain warcaster with a frosty disposition and one eye that has a feat that prevents special attacks? Strakhov2 gives out Tough and Feign Death and +3 ARM silly!
|
|
|
Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 10, 2017 18:01:50 GMT
Yeah it's a special attack. Say, don't we have a certain warcaster with a frosty disposition and one eye that has a feat that prevents special attacks? Yeah Strahkov! That guys great against the Legion! Both forms are.
|
|
wags
Junior Strategist
Posts: 102
|
Post by wags on May 10, 2017 19:46:48 GMT
I've honestly felt like legion is one of our most even matchups, even skewed slightly to our end. Their beasts are fast and hit hard, but forcing piece trades with marauders or juggernauts is really to our advantage. Sure an angel will probably cripple what it charges, but crippling one marauder when there is a juggernaut coming up behind it isn't a big deal.
I've had a lot of success against legion with B3 and a jack wall. They break against the jacks, then Butcher comes in and destroys multiple beasts with his feat and flashing blades. It's the idea of the slow march up, invite the feat and alpha onto 1 or 2 cheap jacks, then come up with a second wave, basically delaying for B3 to get into his position to do his thing. Take the WG theme and you have some really good tech against shooting lists with your sac pawn.
|
|
zeffid
Junior Strategist
Posts: 163
|
Post by zeffid on May 12, 2017 11:04:20 GMT
This is very strange. First we have trouble hitting high DEF beasts. Every second attack hits normally that might be enough to criple aspects but you have to kill beast whole to really be safe. Then they have Fly meaning B3 is not safe behind the Jackwall. Sure it is not one sided as B3 himself can take out a number of beasts and be immune to charges afterwards (FEAT). But I have a reason to say we are not very comfortable with LoE.
|
|
Whiskie
Junior Strategist
Posts: 288
|
Post by Whiskie on May 12, 2017 18:57:25 GMT
I've honestly felt like legion is one of our most even matchups, even skewed slightly to our end. Their beasts are fast and hit hard, but forcing piece trades with marauders or juggernauts is really to our advantage. Sure an angel will probably cripple what it charges, but crippling one marauder when there is a juggernaut coming up behind it isn't a big deal. I've had a lot of success against legion with B3 and a jack wall. They break against the jacks, then Butcher comes in and destroys multiple beasts with his feat and flashing blades. It's the idea of the slow march up, invite the feat and alpha onto 1 or 2 cheap jacks, then come up with a second wave, basically delaying for B3 to get into his position to do his thing. Take the WG theme and you have some really good tech against shooting lists with your sac pawn. As a Legion player I'd agree that Khador is slightly advantaged overall faction vs. faction. Butcher3 however I feel has a very difficult time against Fyanna2 in particular because of the presence of the Bloodseer. Arcane Supression makes B3's usual gameplan of killing half of a Legion army by himself pretty much a no-go by making all of his spells cost 1 more Focus to cast. Even with his Feat to refill his Focus pool he'll struggle to get a lot of work done paying two per flashing blade.
|
|
wags
Junior Strategist
Posts: 102
|
Post by wags on May 13, 2017 5:08:05 GMT
That might be why b3 has worked for me, no one has really been taking bloodseers with fyanna in my meta.
I also find having two devestators help as you can boost their rain of death damage and usually take a good chunk off the beasts before finishing them with butcher.
I'd agree flight is a strong ability, but it still requires a landing spot which can be gummed up with cheap wgi or mechanics. Plus like others have mentioned flying models are still susceptible to free strikes. There is game around it which is why I think it's an even matchup, skill and positioning play a bigger part than the lists themselves.
|
|
|
Post by goodk4t on May 13, 2017 8:27:40 GMT
sorry noob question. how can strakhov 2 feat prevent special attacks from happening? and so you guys have a sr 1 JotW list for opponents like Legion or would you prefer to Play LoS into that. hitting Legion beasts with Mat 7 jacks looks like a pure gamble to me.
|
|
|
Post by Cryptix on May 13, 2017 12:27:32 GMT
It was a joke, they're really talking about Zerkova1
|
|