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Post by Trollock on Jun 15, 2020 12:08:35 GMT
With the proposed changes i am indeed interested in the solo again. Good thing i brought some used Bushwhackers recently... I think you skip the UA with the bushwhackers though. 5 points is a LOT. I have a Gunnbjorn list with 4 heavies and HWM in KC. That list could perhaps switch to bushwhackers and be really cool... What kind of list are you talking about?!😄 The current list looks like this:
conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-1t020r9DesiRjqpkoP6R0l0mc8eBTrollbloods [Theme] Kriel Company [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [17] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dozer & Smigg [17] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Boomhowler, Solo Artist [0(6)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Sons of Bragg [9] Trollkin Highwaymen (max) [15]
Maybe one could tweak it to get Bushwhackers + Brug in there, but after thinking a bit more on it, i think this is the wrong place for it as the Highwaymen wants to be a but further up the table to allow me to contest while the bushwhackers want to stand and aim all game. Im sure there are good places for them though with some thought.
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Jun 28, 2020 15:53:16 GMT
Brug has re-invigorated my desire to cook up and play janky shooty lists. Double Sluggers, double Scattergunners, double Lookouts, Burrowers, and mix to taste. Bushwhackers still piss me off with not having 3 Mortars, and I've owned 2x Cygnar Longgunners long enough to experience the weakness of that game. Highwaymen are interesting, short range+40mm base shoehorns them, for me, into two warlocks lists. Scouts with POW 15 Grievous, ignoring most common Def buffs? Spicy. Thumper gets interesting at POW 18/20, that collateral...
Funny how the re-addition of +2 damage to some shooty units makes them, potentially, a bit more Swiss Knife, and triggers memories of MK2.
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Post by Dev Null on Jun 28, 2020 22:02:54 GMT
Highwaymen are interesting, short range+40mm base shoehorns them, for me, into two warlocks lists. Should probably be obvious, but I'm still relatively new to trolls; who would you run them with?
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Post by anoddman on Jun 29, 2020 3:13:04 GMT
Brug has re-invigorated my desire to cook up and play janky shooty lists. Double Sluggers, double Scattergunners, double Lookouts, Burrowers, and mix to taste. Bushwhackers still piss me off with not having 3 Mortars, and I've owned 2x Cygnar Longgunners long enough to experience the weakness of that game. Highwaymen are interesting, short range+40mm base shoehorns them, for me, into two warlocks lists. Scouts with POW 15 Grievous, ignoring most common Def buffs? Spicy. Thumper gets interesting at POW 18/20, that collateral... Funny how the re-addition of +2 damage to some shooty units makes them, potentially, a bit more Swiss Knife, and triggers memories of MK2. I only really see Highwaymen and Brug together under Grim2. Mirage under feat gives them a 14" aiming threat, and anything else just feels kinda lackluster to me. I've only really been looking at Brug in situations where I've already got a big aiming threat (Bushwhackers) or I can get to a good aiming threat (Sluggers).
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jun 29, 2020 11:12:04 GMT
I like and don't like Brug. Extra treat range for our ranged casters (Like Grissel2) is too good not to take, but at the same time he is just one more support-solo that helps all our stuff. +2POW/Eyeless sight is really nice, but not sure how often you can actually use it because of our short ranges.
But bushwackers under Gunny sounds quite nice to be. 2 pyg CRA's can be eyeless sight re-roll rat9 and pow 14 by RNG18 so they kill most solos and infantry and still half unit can advance and if they are too close, boomhowler can give them repo to back up.
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Post by Trollock on Jun 29, 2020 20:25:23 GMT
I like and don't like Brug. Extra treat range for our ranged casters (Like Grissel2) is too good not to take, but at the same time he is just one more support-solo that helps all our stuff. +2POW/Eyeless sight is really nice, but not sure how often you can actually use it because of our short ranges. But bushwackers under Gunny sounds quite nice to be. 2 pyg CRA's can be eyeless sight re-roll rat9 and pow 14 by RNG18 so they kill most solos and infantry and still half unit can advance and if they are too close, boomhowler can give them repo to back up. Yeah, i think abusing the fact that only the models who actually make the attacks need to aim is a great thing. It allows you to still advance the unit for better position next turn.
Doesnt work for the eyless sight part though. The guys who dont aim dont get eyless, and cant contribute to a CRA if they are outside 5" from stealth or have a cloud that block LoS for them...
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Post by mydnight on Jun 30, 2020 0:43:23 GMT
Brug is like a 'true' UA for the bushwackers. I would not bring the actual bushwacker UA. At 13 points and nothing else the bushwackers are a solid choice with Brug around. Dropping the stone's CA and bringing brug for 1 more points seems worth it.
I'm actually quite interested in Grissel1 in KrielC. Anyone had any experience with her? FOcus 6 for landing calamity seems like a pain but there are a lot of new tools.
Also Brug seems like a decent boost to Fireeaters, tanks and sons of bragg, all of whom will appreciate the speed boost. Heck -- even scouts.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jul 1, 2020 12:16:40 GMT
Yeah, i think abusing the fact that only the models who actually make the attacks need to aim is a great thing. It allows you to still advance the unit for better position next turn.
Doesnt work for the eyless sight part though. The guys who dont aim dont get eyless, and cant contribute to a CRA if they are outside 5" from stealth or have a cloud that block LoS for them...
It is true, it wont work if you are targeting stealth models, but most likely you just need couple of models to shoot through stealth and others just need that +2POW. Against cloud walls you need all aiming, but life sucks. Luckily those are not as common anymore. And you still ignore concealment, even tho you can't see through steath/clouds.
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Post by mydnight on Jul 1, 2020 22:47:43 GMT
So...if you play raiders and fireeaters and lookouts with the northkin elder in KC, Brug + stone = +2 movement speed. Probably quite relevant for the fireeaters and raiders.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jul 2, 2020 14:52:44 GMT
Brug looks excellent to me, it feels like everybody wants piece of that action.
I assembled a trollkin army because I like the Grim2 model (a lot, maybe my favourite model in any game ever) and with grim2 in KC this guy seems like a nobrainer, so maybe that skews my evaluation of this solo? I see a model that can do a lot of different little and some not so little things. Maybe not all at ones but enough so that you can keep your opponent guessing, which alone is nice.
That doesn't mean he can fit in over other choices in all lists, but it feels like a good consideration for quiet a few lists.
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Post by shmeep on Jul 12, 2020 14:46:02 GMT
a thought - it is worth at all to try to get Brug's effect on Scattergunners? a maximum of 22 pow 14 sprays, each at RAT 8/10 before caster buff sounds cute - of course the catch is that they have to be stationary with an 8' range. Under Grim2 that can go up to 10', pow 16 / RAT 10/12. Doesn't sound viable to me, especially since it's so straightforward and most of the good tech is weird roundabout shit. ....Unless?
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Post by mydnight on Jul 13, 2020 0:37:47 GMT
a thought - it is worth at all to try to get Brug's effect on Scattergunners? a maximum of 22 pow 14 sprays, each at RAT 8/10 before caster buff sounds cute - of course the catch is that they have to be stationary with an 8' range. Under Grim2 that can go up to 10', pow 16 / RAT 10/12. Doesn't sound viable to me, especially since it's so straightforward and most of the good tech is weird roundabout shit. ....Unless? Grim2's Mirage may help; you could in theory use them to aim if you have a front line that has been jammed up, but I doubt they will get very good targets. Sluggers with 14 range and Mirage seem far more reliable.
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