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Post by Azahul on Feb 10, 2020 20:56:48 GMT
Well, Trolls might be a little judgmental. The reason Arkadius doesn't work for Trolls is because he was tossed out of Corvis University for illegal and unethical experiments on Cygnaran Trollkin in an attempt to extract their regenerative powers. This was before he discovered that Farrow were much less likely to register complaints with the ethics committee.
Point is he has kind of a rep among Trollbloods. Yeah, it's not too hard to rationalise his powers working on them, especially given his prior experiments, but it also makes sense for him to not be included. He absolutely is not a Dhunian worshiper.
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Post by moridamn on Feb 10, 2020 21:08:27 GMT
I'm going based on information from last week during some internal testing. If Hungerford posted something recently, then that could've changed.
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Post by jarrow on Feb 19, 2020 5:51:10 GMT
Hungerford confirmed, that Troll-farrow theme would be crossfaction theme like warriors of old faith. SO most likely limited caster pool. As mentioned above Arcadius most likely wont fit. From troll side, most likely no northkin stuff (even how bad I want Borka2 to have road-hog). Name of the theme would imply that all the shamans would be included, but the bit's of fluff (and gunnbjörn2) would imply more ranged and organised kriel stuff. So my quess are:
Farrow:
Arkadius Helga Carver
Midas
Sturm & Drang
Trolls:
Borka Calandra Doomshaper
Grim Grissel Gunnbjorn
Horgle Kolgrima Madrak
Ragnor
Skuld
And no stone, so Madrak3 would shine.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 19, 2020 8:04:58 GMT
I actually reckon Carver, Helga, and Sturm and Drang will be the Farrow Warlocks. And Azazello probably. Just because the simplest verbage to use that just so happens to happily exclude Arkadius would be "Minion Warlocks with the Farrow Warlock rule". Both Arkadius and Midas have the Limited Battlegroup rule instead, neatly excluding them.
It is a fair few Warlocks compared to Warriors of the Old Faith I guess, which is the main reason I think they could go something more limited and call out Farrow Warlocks by name. But that seems like a reasonable place to start anyway.
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Post by mydnight on Feb 19, 2020 9:42:38 GMT
Hungerford confirmed, that Troll-farrow theme would be crossfaction theme like warriors of old faith. SO most likely limited caster pool. As mentioned above Arcadius most likely wont fit. From troll side, most likely no northkin stuff (even how bad I want Borka2 to have road-hog). Name of the theme would imply that all the shamans would be included, but the bit's of fluff (and gunnbjörn2) would imply more ranged and organised kriel stuff. So my quess are: Farrow: ArkadiusHelga Carver MidasSturm & DrangTrolls: Borka Calandra DoomshaperGrimGrissel Gunnbjorn Horgle KolgrimaMadrak RagnorSkuldAnd no stone, so Madrak3 would shine. If they're going to include Madrak I would hope they actually CiD his third incarnation, which seems to have been a mostly dead on arrival caster.
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Post by mandra on Feb 19, 2020 12:10:32 GMT
Pretty new to the game but my most beloved factions together is amazing😄 thank you for sharing the rumors!
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Post by bacon on Feb 19, 2020 15:16:18 GMT
And no stone, so Madrak3 would shine. Do you have a source on that? The stone with carver was one of the things I was looking forward to the most.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Feb 19, 2020 15:51:01 GMT
And no stone, so Madrak3 would shine. Do you have a source on that? The stone with carver was one of the things I was looking forward to the most. He's just wishlisting. Personally, I'm all in favor of ARM 23 troll heavies. Give Carver the stone. He can put it to good use.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 19, 2020 20:21:36 GMT
Arm 23 Pig Heavies, really. Troll heavies feel like a dubious prospect, outside maybe a single Mauler for Rage access. Otherwise you probably don't want too many models unable to use Carver's Feat.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Feb 19, 2020 22:53:21 GMT
Arm 23 Pig Heavies, really. Troll heavies feel like a dubious prospect, outside maybe a single Mauler for Rage access. Otherwise you probably don't want too many models unable to use Carver's Feat. Depending on how the rules break down it could still be better to run Troll Heavies. We don't know yet. Though with the War Hog being cheaper and (IMO) a better beatstick than the mauler, I think you will probably be right.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 19, 2020 22:59:55 GMT
From a pig perspective, getting access to Troll heavies doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. The defensive stats are identical (though I'll concede that over two or three rounds of fighting the health divergence caused by Snacking versus Aggression Dial can creep up) and, as you say, the War Hog is a better beatstick than any of the Trolls. Even getting access to Rage isn't actually new, that option's been relatively easy to access ever since Mire released. A Carver brick made up of Troll heavies doesn't feel appreciably better than one made of Pig heavies, even if the theme adds the "Farrow" tag to Troll beasts as well as making them Minions (which I don't expect). The big new pieces for pigs would be Krielstone access and the Axer, so I really do hope the Krielstone is available in theme because it's like 80% of the selling point for pigs right now.
Admittedly, certain Troll infantry would be great to with a few different Farrow Warlocks, but given what we know of the theme I don't expect Champions or Fennblades to be available.
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Post by jarrow on Feb 20, 2020 6:04:45 GMT
ARM 23 trolls/pigs wont brake the game as we can have then already, but ARM24 colossals and ARM25 EDBT's are IMO too much. But I think that's first thing people test on CID so we shall see.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Feb 20, 2020 12:20:59 GMT
Have trolls or farrow ever had anything that was "too much" in Mark 3 before? Madrak 2 for all of two months maybe? I think it's high time that the children of Dhunia got to put something on the table that makes the opponent groan as soon as they see it.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 20, 2020 12:47:38 GMT
That's a pretty dangerous sentiment to adopt. I don't want something that has to get nerfed within six months. That said, I'm not exactly worried about EBDTs, they'll only be that armour value in very specific positions so I'd rather take pig heavies in general I think. The Gargantuans would be the things to test and see if they're too much. To be honest though I doubt you'll find them as effective on the table as they might look on paper. It's not like Baldur2 is setting the world on fire with Woldwraths at Arm 23.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Feb 20, 2020 13:09:34 GMT
I disagree that it's a dangerous sentiment. It's the pattern of the development cycle that's existed since PP adopted this process. Just watch, it'll happen again with the Legion CID.
I remember my opponents complaining about Even Ground on Madrak 1 after he got his update. Now, he doesn't even see table time for me because his game is completely understood and counterable now. I want to see trolls and farrow shift the meta a bit and have the ability to ask my opponents a serious question again.
The best thing I think I'll actually see coming out of this theme is the ability to run double Dhunian Archons and double Champs.
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