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Post by elricaltovilla on Jul 29, 2019 16:11:56 GMT
According to Warroom 2, Band of Heroes lost the +2" deployment and got no replacement ability, putting it as one of the few themes that actually got a Nerf as a result of the Theme Oblivion.
Personally, I was already pretty close to breaking down and getting some Bears to switch my list to SOTN, but now I think I am going to have to do that. I don't think there was any real reason for BOH to get shorted like this, but what do you think?
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Post by Kevin on Jul 29, 2019 16:39:31 GMT
According to Warroom 2, Band of Heroes lost the +2" deployment and got no replacement ability, putting it as one of the few themes that actually got a Nerf as a result of the Theme Oblivion. Personally, I was already pretty close to breaking down and getting some Bears to switch my list to SOTN, but now I think I am going to have to do that. I don't think there was any real reason for BOH to get shorted like this, but what do you think? That all Theme Force lost that ability(exept the Hammer Strike), and almost none got ath to replace it. |
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jul 29, 2019 16:49:05 GMT
According to Warroom 2, Band of Heroes lost the +2" deployment and got no replacement ability, putting it as one of the few themes that actually got a Nerf as a result of the Theme Oblivion. Personally, I was already pretty close to breaking down and getting some Bears to switch my list to SOTN, but now I think I am going to have to do that. I don't think there was any real reason for BOH to get shorted like this, but what do you think? That all Theme Force lost that ability(exept the Hammer Strike), and almost none got ath to replace it. Quite a few got replacement abilities. CG gets to start with upkeeps out in Prima Materia, for example. Do you honestly think that BOH is a strong enough theme to stand on only one theme benefit? |
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Post by robbleyourworld on Jul 29, 2019 19:03:09 GMT
It's a little disappointing to lose the 2" without a different rule to compensate but I hardly think it ruins BoH. Takedown v2.0 on all of our warrior models is still a great benefit and the main reason to play in BoH while the 2" was just a nice benefit honestly.
You can't really equivocate BoH with some the themes that lost 2" deployment but gained something because of how impactful takedown is. If you look at the benefits of the themes I can think of that lost 2" deployment their other benefits don't seem to impact the game as much as army wide takedown does. Consider Prima Materia which was brought up, the benefit of vanguards having 2 shield guards a turn is pretty good and does come into play regularly but I don't view it as strategy warping as takedown does.
It seems a little silly to view BoH as getting shorted because what it brings is still somewhat unique and powerful. Yes in an absolute sense it got nerfed, but the reason to play in the theme is still there its just a little slower on turn 1... maybe as incentive to go heavy on toughalo or fennblades.
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Post by Trollock on Jul 29, 2019 21:29:07 GMT
According to Warroom 2, Band of Heroes lost the +2" deployment and got no replacement ability, putting it as one of the few themes that actually got a Nerf as a result of the Theme Oblivion. Personally, I was already pretty close to breaking down and getting some Bears to switch my list to SOTN, but now I think I am going to have to do that. I don't think there was any real reason for BOH to get shorted like this, but what do you think? BoH lost the 2" deployment.
BoH can now take less than 60 points of dudes and still get 3 free things. BoH can take whelps for free now. BoH can play SoBs for the much more reasonable 9 points.
Try to see the big picture please. I would have LOVED for troll themes to get a bit of extra love in this update, but there was not much. However, most of us have not even had time to play a game yet under these new conditions. Lets try and do that for a while before we cry overly much. Brandon Andrews showed that a good player can still do well with trolls. There are lots of new list builds that opened up for us, especially in KC. Who knows where trolls stand right now?
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jul 29, 2019 21:38:24 GMT
It's not my intention to whine. I am upset at the loss of the +2" of deployment, but it hasn't made me give up on the theme entirely.
I feel like it was a very useful benefit for a melee oriented army with mostly static threat ranges, but the key benefit of the theme was always takedown. I'm just curious to see what anyone is thinking about changing up in their BOH lists.
And the changes to Kriel Company are very exciting. I'll have to get my Gunnbjorn off the shelf and finally build my highwaymen.
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Post by kjata on Jul 30, 2019 7:11:31 GMT
That all Theme Force lost that ability(exept the Hammer Strike), and almost none got ath to replace it. Quite a few got replacement abilities. CG gets to start with upkeeps out in Prima Materia, for example. Do you honestly think that BOH is a strong enough theme to stand on only one theme benefit? That's such a bad theme benefit tho. Secret masters lost it, and I shrugged and went "whatever." Bones gained it, and if bones had lost the 2" and gained nothing in return, I would have felt the same about that theme as I do now. Starting with upkeep and them being free is probably the worst theme benefit in the game. |
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Post by beardmonk on Jul 30, 2019 7:27:36 GMT
BOH is a troop themed list that gives all troops FRP and now also ignores Tough Rolls. I'm not sure what's not to like tbh.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 30, 2019 7:34:08 GMT
That's such a bad theme benefit tho. Secret masters lost it, and I shrugged and went "whatever." Bones gained it, and if bones had lost the 2" and gained nothing in return, I would have felt the same about that theme as I do now. Starting with upkeep and them being free is probably the worst theme benefit in the game. It's not an amazing benefit, but it is useful. Some casters don't even have enough focus/fury to cast all of their upkeeps turn 1. If you don't go first, you might want to camp a bit so you don't die, meaning you can't afford to cast everything. Getting everything for free, means you're always at full camp in the first turn and can often afford to run your caster to wherever you want rather than having to hand out buffs and then charge. This can put you in a much better position in turn 2. beardmonk the theme benefit already ignored Tough before the change. |
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Post by Kevin on Jul 30, 2019 7:50:35 GMT
That all Theme Force lost that ability(exept the Hammer Strike), and almost none got ath to replace it. Quite a few got replacement abilities. CG gets to start with upkeeps out in Prima Materia, for example. Do you honestly think that BOH is a strong enough theme to stand on only one theme benefit? Before Oblivion changes ya would take BoG either for RfP/no taf or for fennblades. No for +2 deploy. I belive that this theme force benefit is strong enough to be the only one benefit. Doesnt mean i belive trolls are strong enought fraction for it  |
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Post by kjata on Jul 30, 2019 9:09:24 GMT
That's such a bad theme benefit tho. Secret masters lost it, and I shrugged and went "whatever." Bones gained it, and if bones had lost the 2" and gained nothing in return, I would have felt the same about that theme as I do now. Starting with upkeep and them being free is probably the worst theme benefit in the game. It's not an amazing benefit, but it is useful. Some casters don't even have enough focus/fury to cast all of their upkeeps turn 1. If you don't go first, you might want to camp a bit so you don't die, meaning you can't afford to cast everything. Getting everything for free, means you're always at full camp in the first turn and can often afford to run your caster to wherever you want rather than having to hand out buffs and then charge. This can put you in a much better position in turn 2. beardmonk the theme benefit already ignored Tough before the change. Don't get me wrong, having it is better than having nothing. But it's like a crappy consolation prize more than a real benefit. Would BoH be better with It? Marginally. If the other themes that lost the +2 deployment got something good, I could see being salty. But they didn't, a lot if them got the upkeep benefit and exemplars got aegis (which is okay). |
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Post by moridamn on Jul 30, 2019 12:13:18 GMT
Exemplars also lost blessed on their jacks' ranged weapons, so that is probably more the reason for giving them Aegis.
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Post by A-Mo on Jul 30, 2019 16:34:51 GMT
I'm fine with the change. Sure, it's a nerf, but overall good for the game. Lots of themes lost it.
I still think list flexibility will improve. I could see Madrak seeing some table time again. Now you can build with troops for "Blood Fury" & Beasts for "Warpath". That being said, I think I'd prefer him in SotN. Rok with 2 Brawlers seems really fun. Not to mention blood fury bears!
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Post by Trollock on Jul 30, 2019 20:40:35 GMT
I'm fine with the change. Sure, it's a nerf, but overall good for the game. Lots of themes lost it. I still think list flexibility will improve. I could see Madrak seeing some table time again. Now you can build with troops for "Blood Fury" & Beasts for "Warpath". That being said, I think I'd prefer him in SotN. Rok with 2 Brawlers seems really fun. Not to mention blood fury bears! I think Rök, Brawler and Axer is the way to go. They have to respect the 16" threat of the brawler then, even if you never use it, and the axer is a superb feat target with Primal |
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Post by A-Mo on Jul 30, 2019 21:19:32 GMT
That's probably better. I think I just I like the idea of Two Brawlers bouncing around the table. Kind of like two giant goblin fanatics from old WH Fantasy. |
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