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Post by crow on Apr 15, 2018 16:04:35 GMT
So I don't mean to just spam new posts, and I don't feel toooo bad as each one has kinda gotten some discussion, but what are we thinking are the essential parts of this faction? Is it Caster specific? If so what casters, with what models? I do think Allyce is pretty essential (but maybe that's just for Lukas), but I'd love to hear others thoughts!
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Post by Trollock on Apr 15, 2018 18:17:48 GMT
In a limited faction i think more or less everything will be essential. Sure, not in every list, but if you want to play the faction to any extent i think you will buy at least one of each option basically.
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Post by crow on Apr 16, 2018 11:09:18 GMT
In a limited faction i think more or less everything will be essential. Sure, not in every list, but if you want to play the faction to any extent i think you will buy at least one of each option basically. See I'm not so sure, I mean I get that you're pretty likely to use at least one of every model at some point, but I don't think that means that EVERY model is gonna be used as much as others. Like I don't think the Rocketmen (burning out their fuse out here alone) boat is gonna be needed for every list. I'd argue that they'll probably be more niche. Same feel could be said about some of the light jacks. True, you'll get use out of all of them, but unless you're running the CG infantry, the Retaliator is probably not going to be as effective. Contrary to this, I feel that Doctor Morley is going to be an auto include if you're running Magnum Opus. Allyce is gonna be Auto, or at least highly utilized, in most lists simply because the minus 1 cost on spells (could be wrong their just my opinion).
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Post by elricaltovilla on Apr 16, 2018 12:33:11 GMT
I'd imagine you definitely need a warcaster of some sort. And probably some warjacks since you have to take those in your list. You'll definitely want a unit or two, and maybe some solos. Other than that, I doubt that there's really anything necessary to use
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Apr 16, 2018 18:38:12 GMT
So more in the spirit that I think OP intended, I imagine that a least one Toro and maybe Alyce or the Alchemists would be pretty safe early buys. I can't imagine that you could play CG and not want one or more Toros at some point.
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Apr 16, 2018 19:21:30 GMT
DBRs and Suppressors seem to be pretty essential support models the faction is balanced around. I expect everything in the army to have a place. If Grymkin is any indication there aren't hopefully won't be any massive duds in faction.
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Post by Trollock on Apr 17, 2018 18:54:53 GMT
DBRs and Suppressors seem to be pretty essential support models the faction is balanced around. I expect everything in the army to have a place. If Grymkin is any indication there aren't hopefully won't be any massive duds in faction. You think they will remain essential? At the surface, yes id say the DBR is made to be essential, and the rust debuff to compensate if you are up against jacks seems like a no-brainer. I think it will be interesting to explore more refined lists though where you leave those pieces behind. Support is always good on paper, but even if you take the options for free that means you are NOT taking other options for free. Especially the suppressor seems to be bad enough when you do not need the Rust debuff that you could safely leave it at home and get a Toro instead. That dude will do actual damage against beasts and jacks alike. I figured that optmized and refined lists would have to be forged over months and months of playing to find the sweet spot. "Bring all the support" is something we all thought to try, but "what support can i make do without?" is a way harder question to answer
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Post by gobber on Apr 18, 2018 0:15:14 GMT
My experience with DBRs was that they were pretty exclusively "win-more" rather than essential. Ragman was by far my favorite debuff in the faction. More assault troops/toros>inconsistently applicable debuffs.
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Post by johnaa on Apr 22, 2018 23:10:38 GMT
Toros , vanguards, jack wise for sure Baldwin, syv, mackay for casters best chance for us as a faction to start strong CGI x2 w UA insane potential with Baldwin Huge bases, enough said Alchemist are great for us Solos are all neeed
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