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Post by oncomingstorm on Apr 6, 2018 6:53:52 GMT
macdaddy PP also knows more about scrutators than we do until exemplar CID. I guess this strongly suggests mat6 on the base scrutators? Going off old man Sevvy I had figured on them being more of a support unit than practicing melee combat but that may well not be the case. Nemo and the stormcallers are all mat5 so whatever's happening, this seems like a rather atypical case of atrophy. Regarding defenses, I'd strike oracular vision first. 15/15 makes sense for young sevvy and focus5 ought to make him plenty difficult to kill. If they're committed to some form of the vision ability on him, then taking inspiration from Vayl's talion ability (limited to 5 damage) might be a way to tone it down. This could also be a good opportunity to ask to reword the spell barrier ability on the devout from "controlling warcaster" to "battlegroup controller?" All very valid points. I know 15/15 is not very hard to kill considering he wants to play so far forward. That's my primary reasoning for wanting to keep oracular. He will be right in the thick of it and I think he needs the extra durability to not be a one shot wonder since he already has a massive target on his head. Personally, I think that if you can get a high quality shot onto him, given that he can have cover (vigilant), a shield guard (devout) and can easily be hidden in a blob of exemplars...he should die. He's a 6 point solo you brings an awesome amount of utility, so he should probably die if your opponent can get a POW 15 boosted spray onto him. Currently, he doesn't, and that seems more than a little bit absurd. On average, it'll take 3 Boosted POW 15s (which have to hit Def 15/19) to kill him, which is pretty crazy for a solo. 15/15 with focus already puts him in the top 10% of durable solos. |
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 6, 2018 12:00:02 GMT
oncomingstorm please consider when discussing the devout and vigilant that they are 9 points each and lack in combat ability. You also are completeley negating road to war at that point. Let’s consider again please, that Sevvy is going to be upfield failey far (especially in an all Melee list like EI) and typically most journeyman in the game stay back very far (sometimes sit at the back of the table like the Junior in Cygnar) I would be fine with potentially reducing his stats by 1. Either Def 14 OR Arm 14. But I honestly think he needs oracular to have better chances of surviving while he is upfield. At Arm 14 Pow 12’s can potentially kill him when Boosted, if I want to take a Devout wohoo that’s 9 points to babysit sevvy0. Also remember, he is going to be most popular in CM because he provides a very powerful mat fixer for our jacks and in that theme he will be harder to hide. All of this though, could be charged if I play enough games where he is too hard to kill. How is everyone feeling about Caine0 and Sorscha0? Boundless on a stick in Khador seems.....interesting. And cain0 looks to be close to Sevvy in power
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 6, 2018 12:15:39 GMT
macdaddySnipe on a Journeyman is busted, I honestly don't know what they are thinking with that one. How does everyone feel about a Storm Strider with 3 attacks and a 27" threat range? (5" walk, 14" RNG, 4" Snipe, 2" TK, 2" Temporal Acceleration), because that is just one reality we can all look forward to if he keeps it. I would like them to focus more on his personal output, rather than making him someone who sits at the back upkeeping and cycling spells, I already have a junior that does that!
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Post by darkshroud on Apr 6, 2018 12:34:51 GMT
macdaddy Snipe on a Journeyman is busted, I honestly don't know what they are thinking with that one. How does everyone feel about a Storm Strider with 3 attacks and a 27" threat range? (5" walk, 14" RNG, 4" Snipe, 2" TK, 2" Temporal Acceleration), because that is just one reality we can all look forward to if he keeps it. #fairandbalanced |
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 6, 2018 12:39:31 GMT
macdaddy Snipe on a Journeyman is busted, I honestly don't know what they are thinking with that one. How does everyone feel about a Storm Strider with 3 attacks and a 27" threat range? (5" walk, 14" RNG, 4" Snipe, 2" TK, 2" Temporal Acceleration), because that is just one reality we can all look forward to if he keeps it. I would like them to focus more on his personal output, rather than making him someone who sits at the back upkeeping and cycling spells, I already have a junior that does that! It seems a decent number of people on CiD are concerned about it as well. But the devs are not convinced its a problem.... |
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Post by bward on Apr 6, 2018 12:51:48 GMT
macdaddy Snipe on a Journeyman is busted, I honestly don't know what they are thinking with that one. How does everyone feel about a Storm Strider with 3 attacks and a 27" threat range? (5" walk, 14" RNG, 4" Snipe, 2" TK, 2" Temporal Acceleration), because that is just one reality we can all look forward to if he keeps it. I would like them to focus more on his personal output, rather than making him someone who sits at the back upkeeping and cycling spells, I already have a junior that does that! It seems a decent number of people on CiD are concerned about it as well. But the devs are not convinced its a problem.... To be fair, I’m always concerned about the storm strider. If the only thing Snipe is busted on is a storm strider, then just fix the storm strider... because it’s OP already. |
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Post by darkshroud on Apr 6, 2018 12:54:07 GMT
meanwhile denny doesnt have enough focus to do anything but cast parasite and requires and arc node.
how do they determine when things get ridiculous releases vs other factions getting garbage? is there a spreadsheet?
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Post by jisidro on Apr 6, 2018 12:56:19 GMT
macdaddy Snipe on a Journeyman is busted, I honestly don't know what they are thinking with that one. How does everyone feel about a Storm Strider with 3 attacks and a 27" threat range? (5" walk, 14" RNG, 4" Snipe, 2" TK, 2" Temporal Acceleration), because that is just one reality we can all look forward to if he keeps it. I would like them to focus more on his personal output, rather than making him someone who sits at the back upkeeping and cycling spells, I already have a junior that does that! He has good output, if he goes all personal power he is a SPD 7, RNG 14, RAT 7 with 2 boostable shots who can either target stuff in melee, push/crit-KD or trick shot. Against low ARM units he'll reliably have 4 chances to crack ARM. Not bad for a solo. |
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Post by jisidro on Apr 6, 2018 12:57:29 GMT
meanwhile denny doesnt have enough focus to do anything but cast parasite and requires and arc node. how do they determine when things get ridiculous releases vs other factions getting garbage? is there a spreadsheet? I think you're not evaluating the bling Parasite brings... She may not look as flashy but -3 ARM is powerfull. |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 6, 2018 13:05:26 GMT
Sevy 0 would just take over my battle group for Thyra. 2 Sanctifiers that just go off and collect souls. While Sevy specifically road-to-wars Blood of Martyrs for a stupid 18" full feat + sidestepping threat range at Mat 11 Pow 23. All the while Thyra is free to stranglehold models or put her melee to good use.
Yes I would lose the apparition since BoM isn't in thyra's battle group but Road-to-war is a perfectly acceptable trade. Sevy's anti-spell upkeep plus no-nonmagic-shooting from the choir keeps him stupid safe. And I swear it would even stack with occultation.
It's just dumb.
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Post by darkshroud on Apr 6, 2018 13:07:31 GMT
meanwhile denny doesnt have enough focus to do anything but cast parasite and requires and arc node. how do they determine when things get ridiculous releases vs other factions getting garbage? is there a spreadsheet? I think you're not evaluating the bling Parasite brings... She may not look as flashy but -3 ARM is powerfull. but you cant stack upkeeps? so sure, the worst offenders are skarre1 with denny0 and banes with a 10arm swing. buuuut im pretty sure your opponent is going to scalpel out denny0 on turn 2 with a 27" threat range storm strider. i know there are enough things to get around stealth that its not an actual defensive mechanism. having that powerful of a spell on a lady that just needs a good drifted aoe to kill her, is dumb. |
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 6, 2018 13:20:56 GMT
macdaddy Snipe on a Journeyman is busted, I honestly don't know what they are thinking with that one. How does everyone feel about a Storm Strider with 3 attacks and a 27" threat range? (5" walk, 14" RNG, 4" Snipe, 2" TK, 2" Temporal Acceleration), because that is just one reality we can all look forward to if he keeps it. I would like them to focus more on his personal output, rather than making him someone who sits at the back upkeeping and cycling spells, I already have a junior that does that! He has good output, if he goes all personal power he is a SPD 7, RNG 14, RAT 7 with 2 boostable shots who can either target stuff in melee, push/crit-KD or trick shot. Against low ARM units he'll reliably have 4 chances to crack ARM. Not bad for a solo. I agree, if they dropped Snipe and left him as is, he would be a very good Junior |
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 6, 2018 13:37:35 GMT
gobber yeah Mat 7 is kind of hardcore for sure, but I think it makes more sense for young sevvy to have that level of combat prowess. But as far as balance goes, if mat 6 is still too much, sure, make him mat 5 base oncomingstorm I was playing EI so lots of hard hitting weaponmaster bodies to hide behind. I also took a devout in his BG for the shield guard. My opponent was playing devo host though, so not really any good ways to scalple in that theme. If you take away mystic wards I actually think he can be killed more reasonably. I am afraid taking away oracular or reducing his base stats may actually make him to easy to kill. 15/14 might be the sweet spot though, I would have to test it though. Def 14 I fear would be too low. this can defend heavily on matchup. I played him last night as well (batrep when I get home from work.) It was into trolls with Madrak 1 and a single bomber for ranged presence: I didn't have to try too hard. into, say, crucible guard, he'll be a nightmare to keep safe. |
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Post by correlion on Apr 6, 2018 13:38:24 GMT
Sevy 0 would just take over my battle group for Thyra. 2 Sanctifiers that just go off and collect souls. While Sevy specifically road-to-wars Blood of Martyrs for a stupid 18" full feat + sidestepping threat range at Mat 11 Pow 23. All the while Thyra is free to stranglehold models or put her melee to good use. Yes I would lose the apparition since BoM isn't in thyra's battle group but Road-to-war is a perfectly acceptable trade. Sevy's anti-spell upkeep plus no-nonmagic-shooting from the choir keeps him stupid safe. And I swear it would even stack with occultation. It's just dumb. You can't take BoM on Sevy0 in any theme |
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Post by W0lfBane on Apr 6, 2018 13:42:06 GMT
He has good output, if he goes all personal power he is a SPD 7, RNG 14, RAT 7 with 2 boostable shots who can either target stuff in melee, push/crit-KD or trick shot. Against low ARM units he'll reliably have 4 chances to crack ARM. Not bad for a solo. I agree, if they dropped Snipe and left him as is, he would be a very good Junior I suggest replace snipe with firegroup |
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