Zero Casters?!

Never said it was in theme. I said it in a post or so ago, Sevy 0 EoM is a walking theme bonus in a 10" bubble.

Denny 0 has stealth... Or are you specifically on the case of drifted AoE which might have a 1/6 chance of even going in the correct direction.

[edit] Gaston has now made me go look up storm striders on battle college. brb

Storm Strider
 - Lightning Cannon - 14" range, POW 15, ROF 2 gun
    Damage Type: Electricity - This weapon does electricity damage.
    Critical Disruption - On a critical hit, a warjack hit will lose all focus points. It also can't gain focus or channel spells for one round.
    Lightning Generator - If this weapon/attack hits a model, lightning arcs to d3 more nearby models and does POW 10 Electricity Damage.

 - Stomp - 1" reach, P+S 13 melee weapon. Not the main thing it does.
    Lightning Generator - As above

There is no way the SS can hit Denny 0 by itself, snipe or not. Mage sight you would have to get within caster CTRL range to drop the bubble on her. Right?

I heard this "Denny0 dies to a drifted AoE" line before as justification, and it's kinda misguided. It only happens when she is sitting on zero focus, which we assume she got to because she cast Parasite and boosted to hit. So she ends up at ARM 15 at this point, because Parasite gives you +1 ARM. The "high end" of blast damage is going to be hitting at POW 8. Meaning you are at dice -7. Meaning you need TWO AoEs to drift onto her to kill her. That's a lot of firepower dedicated to get rid of ONE 4 point solo. Sure, she loses control over her Jack at that point, but honestly guys... Once that chicken-Jack is that close, did you really expect it to be there the following turn? Of course not. The important part was deleting whatever heavy/caster you put Parasite on.

Btw, you do NOT need to boost to hit with Parasite for many targets. Between Shadowbind and Stationery and feats, Cryx has plenty of good ways to lower that defense for her. Nevermind the fact that even if she does miss, unlike with your normal caster, you have not risked nearly as much to try this.

Are the new casters cool? Sure, if you are one of PPs favorite some. Are they FAR AND AWAY better than anything else even remotely at the point value (aka "broken")? C'mon guys, I can't believe we are even arguing this.

PP does sometimes make aggressively costed models for factions (look no further than Houseguard Halberdiers if you need proof), and that's "fine". They becoming defining aspects their faction. But do the factions getting these solos REALLY need them to define their faction? Didn't these factions already have models that defined the aspects their faction? Did Cryx need more debuffs? Did Cygnar really need more help shooting?

Of course not. Can these models still have places if they were appropriately costed? Sure.

If they were appropriately costed. Since they are often free, that's even more difficult to do.

So I'm left with the assumption that PP really WANTS them to be better than all other options. Which, they have already stated publicly. Makes sense given their name and status. But if that's the case, it's pretty much a giant slap in the face to anyone who made the mistake of buying their other factions.

I didn't say that they had to be in his BG. Plenty of casters bring a devout or a vigilant, often they can share it with. Sevvy.

In any case, the base appraisal of his survivability stands. You need to hit him with an average of 3 boosted pow 15s to kill him. Keep in mind that A) not every faction has access to ranged, boostable pow 15s, B) you still need to HIT base def 15, at the very least, and C) that this is a freaking 6 point (read: free) solo.

In a CM gunline, he can be practically in the deployment zone while still buffing your jacks. On EI, He'll be in the middle of a blob of exemplars. Reaching him might be doable for, say, Gaspy1, or certain Cygnar lists, (though Gaspy1 still has to pop his feat to kill him reliably. Just...think about that for a moment) but it's certainly not for everyone.

It takes more than SIX pureblood sprays to kill him, on average. That's just crazy, considering they're the only guns that will reliably be able to reach him unless your opponent gives him to you. Again, this is not assassinating the enemy caster, it's scalepeling out a 6 point solo.

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doesnt have to be storm strider. there is also enough stuff that negates stealth.

but ill agree, it was bad example.

i agree it was a bad example.

but there are other things he could give snipe to that could also, presumably have magesight?

or am i wrong again?

I know this sentiment has been stated before, but I think it is worth repeating.

PP has a history of being unable/unwilling to identify/admit what is making a model too good, and instead nerf things that are not the problem.

Haley 2 is the best example of this

*Going into Mk 3*

Community 'The feat is the problem'

PPS_Strawman 'lets take away her half of her defensive buffs against range, and lose Deadeye'

*During Mk 3*

Community 'The feat is still the problem'

PPS_Strawman 'ok lets try getting rid of Deflection, and changing Time Bomb'

Community 'THE FEAT IS THE PROBLEM!!'

PPS_Strawman 'ok lets change the feat I guess'


If they had just changed the feat to start with they could have kept the other stuff, and saved everyone a lot of time and anguish.


I fear they will do the same with Caine0, they say 'lets take away Shooting from the Hip, ok now lets take away Spirit Door' and then at the end of it all finally admit Snipe is the problem and take it away, but by now all Caine0 other cool abilities have been gutted, and he is nowhere near as fun or powerful as he could have been.