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Post by grabsnikk on Feb 22, 2018 22:27:36 GMT
How about gatorman husk? 3p minion solo with ambush. And very annoying? That Minions Solo spot is super valuable. I'd argue that Eilish or Mist Speaker would be better options that the husk. Yeah its definitely not worth taking the Gatorman Husk over the other options available. Eilish, Mist Speaker, Hutchuk, Totem Hunter, Lanyssa and Saxon Orrick are far better options that the Husk. |
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Post by robobengt on Feb 23, 2018 7:48:49 GMT
And if you only have 3 points left over you should probably take a gremlin swarm.
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Post by grabsnikk on Feb 23, 2018 8:08:00 GMT
And if you only have 3 points left over you should probably take a gremlin swarm. Agreed, its much harder to kill. |
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Feb 23, 2018 8:46:01 GMT
How about gatorman husk? 3p minion solo with ambush. And very annoying? I´d run Hutchuk instead every day of the week! |
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Post by Trollock on Feb 23, 2018 14:28:49 GMT
... SSC has been underperforming and Skaldi is never worth the points even in SotN. Very interesting opinion. I would think that having to kill 28 wounds worth of champions rather than 21 wounds (plus however many wounds Madrak heals with the feat) before any one of them starts dying would be very valuable. Overtake and relentless charge are also worth SOMETHING at least. I havent done extensive tests on champs with or without Skaldi, but to me he looks very worthwhile. Not mandatory, but worth it if you can afford it. If i played a caster who would put a unit wide buff on the champions, like Jarl or Madrak 2, he becomes even more valuable, since he allows the buff to affect even more models. I HAVE been including him on reflex though so i should probably do a bit more thinking before just throwing him in there. |
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Post by Arcaux on Feb 23, 2018 14:47:13 GMT
... SSC has been underperforming and Skaldi is never worth the points even in SotN. Very interesting opinion. I would think that having to kill 28 wounds worth of champions rather than 21 wounds (plus however many wounds Madrak heals with the feat) before any one of them starts dying would be very valuable. Overtake and relentless charge are also worth SOMETHING at least. I havent done extensive tests on champs with or without Skaldi, but to me he looks very worthwhile. Not mandatory, but worth it if you can afford it. If i played a caster who would put a unit wide buff on the champions, like Jarl or Madrak 2, he becomes even more valuable, since he allows the buff to affect even more models. I HAVE been including him on reflex though so i should probably do a bit more thinking before just throwing him in there. I might be wrong in fairness. My main issue is that I often run double champs and hate the idea of one unit having Skaldi when the other doesn't. That's a personal desire for symmetry in list building though admittedly a fault.
I think you're definitely right about casters that include a unit buff, though I'm concentrating on Madrak1, Borka2 and Kolgrima at the moment so it's not something that's come up.
If he's fighting for that 3rd solo spot after Runebearer and FCH, which I consider essential then I will generally prefer Valka in SotN.
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Post by macdaddy on Feb 23, 2018 16:40:52 GMT
Very interesting opinion. I would think that having to kill 28 wounds worth of champions rather than 21 wounds (plus however many wounds Madrak heals with the feat) before any one of them starts dying would be very valuable. Overtake and relentless charge are also worth SOMETHING at least. I havent done extensive tests on champs with or without Skaldi, but to me he looks very worthwhile. Not mandatory, but worth it if you can afford it. If i played a caster who would put a unit wide buff on the champions, like Jarl or Madrak 2, he becomes even more valuable, since he allows the buff to affect even more models. I HAVE been including him on reflex though so i should probably do a bit more thinking before just throwing him in there. I might be wrong in fairness. My main issue is that I often run double champs and hate the idea of one unit having Skaldi when the other doesn't. That's a personal desire for symmetry in list building though admittedly a fault.
I think you're definitely right about casters that include a unit buff, though I'm concentrating on Madrak1, Borka2 and Kolgrima at the moment so it's not something that's come up.
If he's fighting for that 3rd solo spot after Runebearer and FCH, which I consider essential then I will generally prefer Valka in SotN.
I too understand the desire for symmetry. Its apparent in almost all my lists. I feel like death the Kid from Soul eater.... Valka is so good. My local troll player and I both think he is almost always a must |
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Post by Arcaux on Apr 6, 2018 11:43:58 GMT
Hi guys, as a quick update the Skinner has been excellent so far.
He has been used in one of two roles.
Either he ambushes to contest a flag in scenarios like Recon2 or Spread the Net where I sometimes don't want to give away another model for free
or
He advance deploys and sits in a forest being menacing, with Madrak's aura this makes him def 21 against beasts
This second use has been excellent. I watched a Legion player spray him with all three Typhon Sprays only to hit with the 3rd boosted shot.
I toughed and he spent well over 10 minutes in the tank trying to deal with him.
I also had him sit in the middle of the table in a forest Vs Abby1. A carnivean charged him with refuge and missed all three attacks needing boosted 15's
Eventually he died to his caster but to say he earned back his cost would be an understatement.
The thought of what he does clearly terrifies people even though it's only ever going to be a Pow 10 + 5 D6 at best.
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Post by cayterpius on Apr 6, 2018 13:05:40 GMT
Sounds ... playable.
Only with Madrak and only against Hordes?
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Post by Arcaux on Apr 6, 2018 13:15:24 GMT
Sounds ... playable. Only with Madrak and only against Hordes? I mean, I have a Madrak1 list that plays into just hordes as part of my pairing.
I imagine in a world where people are playing Madrak1 and Kolgrima as a pairing, many people will have come to a similar conclusion that Kolgrima is much better into Warmachine that Hordes and that Madrak. That said, obviously he would also be excellent in a Calandra list that played mostly into Hordes.
All that said, he is still very good at just contesting against Warmachine so he doesn't lose all value. I like stone scribe chroniclers more if your Madrak list wants to play into Warmahcine though as they tend to be more shooty.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 6, 2018 23:04:56 GMT
I am not sure if I would agree with your statement about kolgrima and madrak. The current no1 shooting list is played in skorne. Legion , grymnkin (gremlin swarms sad about kolgrima s spray) , some circle caster really do not wanna face kolgrima. In my current kolgrima madrak pairing. Madrak should play into cryx.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 7, 2018 14:10:54 GMT
Honestly, I really like the idea of using him as an ambushing contesting piece. Seems like it is a really nice way to stall scenario in Spread the net or Standoff.
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