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Post by grabsnikk on Mar 22, 2017 16:53:37 GMT
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Post by trollsareblue on Mar 22, 2017 17:32:39 GMT
So... Cryx is, essentially, going to get the stone without having to dump resources into it every turn. Seems fair. >.<
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Post by Ajax on Mar 22, 2017 18:00:27 GMT
Hm...curious to see what the changes to the Battle Wagon are. I think our wagon has been pretty lackluster/situational since MK2, and I don't really see it becoming a "support piece" like that hinted version of the Cryx BE or the Death Knell are.
I'm a little bummed that Trolls aren't next on the list of CID changes since they were so heavily alluding to the fact that we were next, but IIRC they DID say that we'd have our chance "soon", so hopefully in the CID after the SR2017 batch.
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Post by anoddman on Mar 22, 2017 18:24:49 GMT
So... Cryx is, essentially, going to get the stone without having to dump resources into it every turn. Seems fair. >.< Except for, ya know, only granting protection against ranged, magic, and blasts and only affecting undead models. That's like saying any caster with Deceleration is getting a Krielstone. Giving a War Wagon 36-38 boxes is already significantly helping its primary role: sticking itself in there. A RAT bump and an added control effect would be all it really needs to compete with a Bomber st that point.
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Post by Trollock on Mar 22, 2017 19:10:19 GMT
I know Pagani said Northkin would be the next thing in CID, but he may have been mistaken. Should come right after cryx then.
I for one think that this is super exciting news. I have a WW that i never even glued together. I REALLY hope it gets turned up to playable, cause it is a really cool model.
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Post by trollsareblue on Mar 22, 2017 21:01:48 GMT
So... Cryx is, essentially, going to get the stone without having to dump resources into it every turn. Seems fair. >.< Except for, ya know, only granting protection against ranged, magic, and blasts and only affecting undead models. That's like saying any caster with Deceleration is getting a Krielstone. Giving a War Wagon 36-38 boxes is already significantly helping its primary role: sticking itself in there. A RAT bump and an added control effect would be all it really needs to compete with a Bomber st that point. No, casting Deceleration requires resources. Not the same. I'd love for the wagon to get better. Maybe give it Flare and a way to boost?
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Post by milehightroll on Mar 22, 2017 21:27:09 GMT
I know Pagani said Northkin would be the next thing in CID, but he may have been mistaken. Should come right after cryx then. I for one think that this is super exciting news. I have a WW that i never even glued together. I REALLY hope it gets turned up to playable, cause it is a really cool model. This. I love my WW. It's painted nicely and looks great rumbling toward the enemy. Any bonus to army synergy and added boxes will make it much easier for me to put in a list.
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Post by Warsmith on Mar 22, 2017 21:46:30 GMT
I am all for the wagon improving. I love the model and really enjoyed building and painting it. I'd like to have an actual reason to play it. Giving it 36-38 boxes helps already. I look forward to play testing this one.
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Post by Ajax on Mar 22, 2017 21:47:45 GMT
Well, check this out. In the most recent CID update for the Death Knell:
Protective Aura replaced with Warmth of the Grave. Warmth of the Grave - While this model has one or more corpse tokens, friendly Faction models gain +2 ARM while within 4˝ of this model +1˝ for each corpse token on this model.
This reads to me as PP basically saying the Death Knell's aura was too weak at the start, since they couldn't have it on without requiring resources first. Which Trolls are currently struggling with atm.
The optimist in me says that Trolls might get a similar upgrade, but the realist notices that they didn't just change the Protective Aura wording...
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Post by joedj on Mar 23, 2017 20:23:51 GMT
So... Cryx is, essentially, going to get the stone without having to dump resources into it every turn. Seems fair. >.< Except for, ya know, only granting protection against ranged, magic, and blasts and only affecting undead models. That's like saying any caster with Deceleration is getting a Krielstone. Giving a War Wagon 36-38 boxes is already significantly helping its primary role: sticking itself in there. A RAT bump and an added control effect would be all it really needs to compete with a Bomber st that point. That's three pretty freakin' big 'only-es'! My Cryx troops are gonna love laughing at those blasts from Khador mortars and/or Behemoth. Undead models? Besides Satyxis/War Witches, I'm not fielding a whole lot of livings. And the 'free' aura circle on that Wraith Engine is BIG. Bane summer here we come?
It still is inferior to the KSB, 'cause the requisite warjacks gain no benefit from the Wraith Engine, unlike our warbeasts. Still, Cryx has never been, and based on this model's potential errata, continues to NOT be, a warjack-centric faction.
I'd like to see the War Wagon gain some type of boost mechanic even if it's a 'must earn it' type. And a Steady-ing effect in it's command range? MK2 Tough returns to Trollbloods, sorta.
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Post by Trollock on Mar 23, 2017 20:28:24 GMT
I think that the important thing here is that jacks are not undead, so they do not benefit, and they would obviously have the biggest benefit from +2 ARM. This is a way weaker version of a KSB, but it is still very good, and it really helps cryx to close in against gunlines. I dont play cryx, and we have no local cryx player (he plays khador now) but i hear that is something they struggle to do.
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Post by anoddman on Mar 23, 2017 20:47:09 GMT
Except for, ya know, only granting protection against ranged, magic, and blasts and only affecting undead models. That's like saying any caster with Deceleration is getting a Krielstone. Giving a War Wagon 36-38 boxes is already significantly helping its primary role: sticking itself in there. A RAT bump and an added control effect would be all it really needs to compete with a Bomber st that point. That's three pretty freakin' big 'only-es'! My Cryx troops are gonna love laughing at those blasts from Khador mortars and/or Behemoth. Undead models? Besides Satyxis/War Witches, I'm not fielding a whole lot of livings. And the 'free' aura circle on that Wraith Engine is BIG. Bane summer here we come?
It still is inferior to the KSB, 'cause the requisite warjacks gain no benefit from the Wraith Engine, unlike our warbeasts. Still, Cryx has never been, and based on this model's potential errata, continues to NOT be, a warjack-centric faction.
I'd like to see the War Wagon gain some type of boost mechanic even if it's a 'must earn it' type. And a Steady-ing effect in it's command range? MK2 Tough returns to Trollbloods, sorta.
The point is it's still not even close to the blanket buff that is the Krielstone. Considering it's going to be on a 15-point model, I should certainly hope you don't have to pay to activate it. I never said it was a bad effect. And this is all temporary going into CID. Have you seen the multiple stages of dramatic Grymkin changes so far? If Troll players complain enough in the Battle Engine CID, we may just see the Wraith Engine's Aura taken down a notch or two. Or we could do the sensible thing and wait for the Krielstonevto show up in CID. Until then, I'd love it if the Troll community could cut back on the salt a little bit. EDIT: Just in case I come across the wrong way, I think the Wraith Engine's effect is great and will really help the kinds of Cryx lists I see struggling in the metas in which I participate. I do not want to see this effect worsened in the CID process.
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Post by Ajax on Mar 23, 2017 20:58:49 GMT
It being on a 15 point model means that they shouldn't have to pay for it? That 15 point model is not only going to provide great support, but can also contest zones (incorporeal), and do a lot of damage itself. Not really something that can be said of the Krielstone, who is purely a support piece for 9-12 points. I'm sorry, but I really don't buy any of the "Krielstone is fine where it's at" arguments. What I can agree with you on is that the Cryx effect shouldn't be be touched at all. I don't think anyone's intent is for other factions to not get cool things. My belief is that a lot of the tension is from Troll models just not really being up to par. We deserve cool things too
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Post by trollsareblue on Mar 23, 2017 22:21:33 GMT
It being on a 15 point model means that they shouldn't have to pay for it? That 15 point model is not only going to provide great support, but can also contest zones (incorporeal), and do a lot of damage itself. Not really something that can be said of the Krielstone, who is purely a support piece for 9-12 points. I'm sorry, but I really don't buy any of the "Krielstone is fine where it's at" arguments. What I can agree with you on is that the Cryx effect shouldn't be be touched at all. I don't think anyone's intent is for other factions to not get cool things. My belief is that a lot of the tension is from Troll models just not really being up to par. We deserve cool things too Dead on. Cryx also needs help this edition. I'm not against them getting help, I'm against the Trolls getting none.
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