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Post by Aegis on Mar 21, 2017 23:35:18 GMT
One of the other problems I see is that before the options grow enough to actually make it possible for wonky combinations to counterbalance 10-15 less points will probably pass years, and years of only themes viable and everything that doesn't fit as shelf material seem a pretty bad thing to me.
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Post by Octantis on Mar 22, 2017 4:31:13 GMT
Trencher Mechanics and Trencher Long Gunners. I can see this going one of two ways. 1. New Cards for existing models. With storm division everything gets immunity electricity and in Warroom their card is updated to match. It doesn't strain reality that they couldn't just provide a whole other card for a unit if it is taken in theme. I'll call this the Interesting version. It would provide a way to make long gunners different and maybe more powerful because they live in a smaller #DesignSpace. When Will talked about Trencher mechanics he sort of said there would be gobber mechanics and then trencher mechanics which leads me to point #2. 2. New models. There's a release of new models (units) to go along with a theme force. I'll call this ZOMG Pissed Off Player Option! I've been sitting on this full unit of long gunners for years hoping that some change would happen to their card so that they would be somewhat useful on the battlefield. Instead of releasing a fix they drop a few new models on the table and expect us to fork over cash to cover the cost of their poor design. F That! I'm hoping it's #1. I'm scared it's #2. It's definitely #2. I wrote Will Schick via Twitter and he responded.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 22, 2017 5:23:11 GMT
That to me signals that its highly unlikely that the MOW battle engine will be just a modular version of the old one.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Mar 22, 2017 6:55:33 GMT
Nope, Trencher Mechanics and Trencher Long Gunners are new units that are allowed, going with the "sub-faction" theme. It is weird since Cygnar already have a unit named Long Gunner Infantry....
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Post by Lanz on Mar 22, 2017 14:58:25 GMT
Nope, Trencher Mechanics and Trencher Long Gunners are new units that are allowed, going with the "sub-faction" theme. It is weird since Cygnar already have a unit named Long Gunner Infantry.... Yeah but these will be long gunners with dig in. Totally worth what will probably be a $60 price tag right?
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 22, 2017 15:35:51 GMT
It is weird since Cygnar already have a unit named Long Gunner Infantry.... Yeah but these will be long gunners with dig in. Totally worth what will probably be a $60 price tag right? Yup, I sure do hope that they are theme exclusive so I can't even include them in non-theme lists if that's ever worth doing. Which, hey let's not kid ourselves, probably won't happen.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Mar 22, 2017 15:47:00 GMT
It is weird since Cygnar already have a unit named Long Gunner Infantry.... Yeah but these will be long gunners with dig in. Totally worth what will probably be a $60 price tag right? Well, if they are no more than Long Gunner Infantry with Trencher tag then it will be not so bad because it is effectively allow them in the theme or upgrade kits units like IFP/Black Dragon, but I am fear that they are simply making the entirely diffrent unit with identical statline with an existing unit.
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Post by sideshowlucifer on Mar 22, 2017 16:30:09 GMT
Sounds great. Buy models that perform basically the same roles for each theme you want to play. Can't wait.
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Post by elladan52 on Mar 22, 2017 16:54:11 GMT
You know what I hate? Having to buy models that fulfill the same purpose for the different factions I play.
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Post by whiskeydave on Mar 22, 2017 20:31:06 GMT
In a vacuum, I could understand what would make folks unhappy. But, I suspect there are other changes and until there are two units in the same faction that are identical, I'll assume the whole picture is not understood.
It would not be the first time that people freaked on partial information.
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Post by Lanz on Mar 23, 2017 0:25:22 GMT
Yeah but these will be long gunners with dig in. Totally worth what will probably be a $60 price tag right? Well, if they are no more than Long Gunner Infantry with Trencher tag then it will be not so bad because it is effectively allow them in the theme or upgrade kits units like IFP/Black Dragon, but I am fear that they are simply making the entirely diffrent unit with identical statline with an existing unit. That sounds like what they are doing. When they said that the new theme lists would have exclusive models, I was honestly expecting attachments and solos, not entirely new PIPs that can only be played in one list for distributors to store on shelves and never sell. I really hope that the new long gunners are just an alt attachment.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 23, 2017 1:09:24 GMT
Or, maybe a small unit of elite trenchers with long guns? Like 3 dudes with sniper, range 14, pow 11, CRA with a decent rat and dig in.
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Post by Aegis on Mar 23, 2017 7:15:03 GMT
Actually, I think that it was just a rumor that have been corrected. I remember them stating the exact opposite, that no model will be restricted only to theme forces. Actually, the interview clearly hints at the fact they are going to purposely bloat a lot into "out of theme" options, to eventually make it on par with themed play just by weird combos coming out from chosing from a so big list of models. I think that they will be a bit different from long guners. Dig In is the least thing I expect. Let's see how they will be...
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Post by droopingpuppy on Mar 23, 2017 10:34:18 GMT
Well, if they are no more than Long Gunner Infantry with Trencher tag then it will be not so bad because it is effectively allow them in the theme or upgrade kits units like IFP/Black Dragon, but I am fear that they are simply making the entirely diffrent unit with identical statline with an existing unit. That sounds like what they are doing. When they said that the new theme lists would have exclusive models, I was honestly expecting attachments and solos, not entirely new PIPs that can only be played in one list for distributors to store on shelves and never sell. I really hope that the new long gunners are just an alt attachment. Weapon Attachment, for example? Though I like to see unit instead.... Anyway, if the intention is just alt version of existing model rather than the entirely new thing that kicks out the existed (bad) model, then it will be good enough.
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Post by Ereshkigal on Mar 23, 2017 10:55:22 GMT
I think it's the right decision from PP, it's a lot better than making new models for each faction that eventually will lead to power creep or eventually homogenization of each army. In this way you aren't forced to buy models that will perform only slightly different from the previous ones unless you like the theme and you want to showcase an army with a strong aesthetic cohesion. Stronger than it is already, i mean.
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