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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 9, 2017 15:52:35 GMT
Yay Sons of the Tempest getting a look at! All I would want is to add Squire to the list of Solo's, even if it were not eligible for being a free solo I would be happy. Discussing Sons of Tempest during a Cygnar whinestorm due to recent wins? Prepare to see tons of people being there just to try to ensure that Sons of Tempest remains unplayable just because it's Cygnar and the last thing they want is anything Cygnar being significantly buffed... Don't fear, we are PPs Golden Children, we will get all the goodies!
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 9, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
The gun mages will come through fine.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 9, 2017 16:17:25 GMT
Lets declare a cold nerf.
Khador wont demand nerfs of raised weaker cygnarian stuff, and cygnar will do the same.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Aug 9, 2017 16:31:12 GMT
Lets declare a cold nerf. Khador wont demand nerfs of raised weaker cygnarian stuff, and cygnar will do the same. If I were going to ask for a Khador nerf, it wouldn't be doom reavers or greylords.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 9, 2017 17:17:57 GMT
*foaming at the mouth* revisit all the themes with nerfs!!!!!!!!
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 9, 2017 18:21:49 GMT
*foaming at the mouth* revisit all the themes with nerfs!!!!!!!! Probably not going to happen. At least not in the way you want it. It's hard to make theme lists encouraging, but not ubiquitous. If it's not encouraging enough, back to mixing and mercs.
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Post by faelin on Aug 9, 2017 19:07:55 GMT
I believe there is some confusion here. Doomreavers, gun mages,and greylords all need nerfs. All that do not follow the path of Cyriss should be nerfed.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 9, 2017 20:19:05 GMT
I believe there is some confusion here. Doomreavers, gun mages,and greylords all need nerfs. All that do not follow the path of Cyriss should be nerfed. I think you're the one confused here. Have you heard of our Lord and saviour Menoth Christ. That and the belief in nerfing all the non believers.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 9, 2017 20:26:38 GMT
Yeah you're right rowdy. I'm just not a fan of theme lists and the way they formed in mark 3. I'd much prefer if they didn't exist. Just vanilla warmahordes with extra vanilla. Maybe they could have instead implemented the unbound rules for regiments. Like if you have 3+ units of trenchers all you trenchers get blank. If you have 4+ trencher solos your army gains blank benefit. And if you have 3+ grenadiers all your jacks get blank. That way you can still build a trencher list and get rewarded but you could build a Trencher list that wasn't exclusively trenchers. Also it would help future proof the game cause they could release models without them having to fit into a theme list and they can release a new regiment much more easily than they can release an entire theme.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 9, 2017 23:00:04 GMT
Also spoiler for swans I forgot:
The shotgun mage is a ricochete shotgun.
So he can spray from a much farther range. Good stuff I say.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Aug 10, 2017 0:42:44 GMT
Ricochet on a spray weapon? Also on a solo, not a warcaster/warlock? Ha, I wasn't expect that PP hates the infantry so much. How terrible....
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 10, 2017 1:17:20 GMT
Yeah you're right rowdy. I'm just not a fan of theme lists and the way they formed in mark 3. I'd much prefer if they didn't exist. Just vanilla warmahordes with extra vanilla. Maybe they could have instead implemented the unbound rules for regiments. Like if you have 3+ units of trenchers all you trenchers get blank. If you have 4+ trencher solos your army gains blank benefit. And if you have 3+ grenadiers all your jacks get blank. That way you can still build a trencher list and get rewarded but you could build a Trencher list that wasn't exclusively trenchers. Also it would help future proof the game cause they could release models without them having to fit into a theme list and they can release a new regiment much more easily than they can release an entire theme. Well, that's just even spammier then before, and doesn't really encourage theme lists at all. You take the most powerful model, spam it a bunch of times, and then slot in all the usual mercs and percs. I think trying to make models fit a theme is one of the major points of themes. Warmachine has vastly different models in it that do very different things. It's easier to remember them as mini factions than as a single massive conglomerate.
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Post by DanX on Aug 10, 2017 1:56:07 GMT
Sons of the tempest needs to work better with Halley, so must be changed.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 10, 2017 3:08:59 GMT
Yeah you're right rowdy. I'm just not a fan of theme lists and the way they formed in mark 3. I'd much prefer if they didn't exist. Just vanilla warmahordes with extra vanilla. Maybe they could have instead implemented the unbound rules for regiments. Like if you have 3+ units of trenchers all you trenchers get blank. If you have 4+ trencher solos your army gains blank benefit. And if you have 3+ grenadiers all your jacks get blank. That way you can still build a trencher list and get rewarded but you could build a Trencher list that wasn't exclusively trenchers. Also it would help future proof the game cause they could release models without them having to fit into a theme list and they can release a new regiment much more easily than they can release an entire theme. Well, that's just even spammier then before, and doesn't really encourage theme lists at all. You take the most powerful model, spam it a bunch of times, and then slot in all the usual mercs and percs. I think trying to make models fit a theme is one of the major points of themes. Warmachine has vastly different models in it that do very different things. It's easier to remember them as mini factions than as a single massive conglomerate. You have a point there about spam but it's not like trencher lists are not taking trenchers in them or exemplar lists aren't taking a bunch of exemplar with them. In this version you'd have to take a set amount of exemplar units to gain a benefit.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 10, 2017 3:34:20 GMT
You have a point there about spam but it's not like trencher lists are not taking trenchers in them or exemplar lists aren't taking a bunch of exemplar with them. In this version you'd have to take a set amount of exemplar units to gain a benefit. Again this is more a way to destroy theme lists as a concept then really create themes. The way you listed would pretty much be "For every 20 points of Trenchers insert X gets X benefit". Unless you have to list a massive list of what can and can't be spammed for benefits. Personally, I mostly like themes. It's the kind of lists I liked making even before I was benefited with points and advantages. I like the idea of thematic armies, and getting away from the same goddam mercenary solos over and over or defaulting to the same choices because they tend to be the best. Or stuff that just didn't fit together in my mind. Themes are very difficult. Even in MKII I would say. Either dump it because "No Merc and who cares about like 3 free points" or abuse the jank that it grants you. I don't really have an idea how to resolve the themes issue though. And Im seeing some longterm flaws because of the MOW theme. I thought I would be excited but now it just feels stupid.
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