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Post by custardboy on May 27, 2017 1:31:31 GMT
Hey all! I'm travelling for a bit and am lining up going to the Thailand, Malaysian and Taiwan masters events this year! I don't have an army with me but a friend is ferrying my pigs over for the Thailand masters. It is time for untested list bashing!
I'm currently thinking Carver and Helga as my pair. The problem I'm facing is that both lists don't want to see a lot of anti infantry shooting but I want one list to devastate high armour spam which has been more prevalent than gunlines in my experience.
Helga the Conquerer - WB: +29 - Road Hog - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Road Hog - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - War Hog - PC: 15 - Battle Boar - PC: 7
Alten Ashley - PC: 6 Viktor Pendrake - PC: 4 Efaarit Scouts - PC: 0 Efaarit Scouts - PC: 0
Farrow Bone Grinders - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 Farrow Brigands - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Farrow Brigand Warlord - PC: 4 Farrow Brigands - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Farrow Brigand Warlord - PC: 4
Lord Carver, BMMD, Esq. III - WB: +28 - War Hog - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - War Hog - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - War Hog - PC: 15 - Battle Boar - PC: 7
Alten Ashley - PC: 6 Maximus - PC: 4 Efaarit Scouts - PC: 0 Efaarit Scouts - PC: 0
Farrow Bone Grinders - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 11 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 11 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 11
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Post by Gaston on May 27, 2017 13:03:31 GMT
Why not drop the SH from Carver for more beasts if you are concerned about anti-infantry?
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Post by vomath on May 27, 2017 23:27:12 GMT
So, honest question: Are you planning to just dodge Ghost Fleet? What do you see as the individual strengths of your lists? Do you have an idea of what you'll drop each list into? And, most importantly: good luck!
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Post by custardboy on May 28, 2017 5:03:29 GMT
I have been toying with a full Carver monster mash army, unfortunately I only have 1 more war hog to throw in! After thinking about it you are probably right, I could go non theme with 4 war hogs, a road hog, Orin, Lanyssa and 2 gremlins...
Ghost fleet is a problem for pigs, I don't think I can do much better than 'hope Maximus goes on an endless killing spree' or 'roll well with Helga.' Distraction, Dash and Helga's personal work would be my saving grace. Kinda miserable that we have a MAT9 unit with take down and that isn't a solution.
Carver will end up being dropped into most games, let's be honest. Helga is to threaten assassination and deal with the increasingly prevalent infantry lists. I may have more of a breakdown later.
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Post by Azahul on May 29, 2017 1:20:36 GMT
So, so close I wish I were able to attend one of those events. It's sad having another Minions player flying around just across the pond. Good luck at the events!
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Post by regleant on May 29, 2017 2:10:44 GMT
I'm in Shanghai, and the only other event I know of is in Malaysia. I didn't even know about Taiwan! Where can I get more information? Sadly, China doesn't like Master's events. They only do Team events.
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Post by custardboy on May 29, 2017 2:23:01 GMT
Taiwan was only announced a few days ago. If you can make it to Thailand their prize pool is huge to encourage foreign players. First prize is 20,000 baht (check what that is in various currencies).
If I dumped the slaughterhousers and went more of a monster mash for Carver, how about:
Lord Carver, BMMD, Esq. III - WB: +28 - War Hog - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - War Hog - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - War Hog - PC: 15 - Road Hog - PC: 16 - Battle Boar - PC: 7
Rorsh - Rorsh & Brine: 15 - Brine Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor - PC: 5 Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 4 Maximus - PC: 4 Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3 Feralgeist - PC: 2
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt - PC: 2
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Post by regleant on May 29, 2017 2:34:54 GMT
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Post by custardboy on May 30, 2017 10:13:00 GMT
Of the common/nasty tournament lists I've seen... Karchev: has to be Carver. That's why all the slaughterhousers were in the original list. Butcher3: 3/4 heavies I'll go Helga, any more is Carver. Helga is able to threaten Butcher with knockdown and is one of the few casters who has a decent shot at surviving his assassination. My army can spread out a lot to mitigate the heavy damage output and I have a lot of contesting models for his scenario game. Vlad1 rocketspam: Helga. She has the best kit for scalpelling rockets and won't die to most of the list so can play quite aggressively and push for scenario. Cygnar will generally be Carver. A monster mash is still the way to handle them. I really don't like Helga into Haley2/3. Ghost fleet is nasty but I'm not expecting anyone to use it. I think I'm better with Helga here due to infantry clearance. The other Cryx list I would expect Infernal Machines with Gaspy3/Venethrax or Skarre1 stalker spam. I don't need Carver level damage output and brigands are great so it's Helga. Protectorate is a tough one. It used to be Carver but the exemplar theme would really punish him. I think I'll just wing it. Retribution is another tough one, I play against them a bit and they can be very hard. Helga vs anyone but Rahn and Garryth I think. Mercs have very different lists but in general they struggle against armour so Carver. Legion will have Fyanna2/Abby2/something in oracles and then Lylyth3/Kallus/Vayl1/2. I think either of my lists can manage this. Trolls don't exist in MK3. Circle hasn't been in my meta lately, the local player is now up to 5 kids. Suggestions? Skorne is usually a Helga job. The low defence titans are great targets for muzzle and not being able to throw/slam your own stuff means they have very few ways to knock her down. They have several casters able to get through Carvers armour. Minions: that's us! No plan, do it at the time.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on May 30, 2017 10:39:23 GMT
I like your analysis regarding possible pairings, though I cannot see how this Helga list will beat Skorne. When I face Skorne, they usually bring a lot of anti shooting tech.
I do much better with Carver vs Skorne.
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Post by custardboy on May 30, 2017 21:57:10 GMT
Skorne excels at anti shooting but the variety they bring is manageable as I'm not trying to shoot down heavies/casters in the first place. The krea aura, shield guards and carapace is limited in the area it covers. I may need Carver if they bring a bunch of sentries or something but Helga: Can muzzle an aradus/titan out of the game. Can use dash to get brigands through the line of engagement to shoot support. Can screw over venators and immortals with distraction. Has Pendrake, making brigands great into the inevitable archidons. Is extremely difficult for most casters to kill. She isn't trying too hard for armour which Skorne are good at killing.
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Post by danfromchicago on May 31, 2017 4:46:37 GMT
Bone grinders have magic weapons. You could use them as cheap shock troops.
They'd die to shooting, but greivous wounds/inflict pain, and dismember could be a thing
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Post by custardboy on May 31, 2017 6:59:12 GMT
Why do I need bone grinders as shock troops? And while I liked the idea of them as cheap bodies during the MK3 teasers, they really don't stack up for that. I think they pay a smidge too much for their magic weapons and attack types.
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Post by thwartingmyplans on Jun 1, 2017 21:56:45 GMT
I really like this style of Helga. I'm currently building it myself and think it has an awesome toolbox and a lot of threat that is designed to give pause.
Pig Theme
Helga War Hog x2 Battle Boar Hutchuk Maximus Alten Ashley Viktor Pendrake 2x Efaarit Scouts (Free) 2x Max Brigands + CA Min Commando's
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Post by Gaston on Jun 2, 2017 1:18:57 GMT
Do Road Hogs over War Hogs with her, trust me I have been down this path.
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