How long does it take to not suck?

It's a Meta thing to be honest. Whilst some people yell "get Gud" in truth it also depends on an opponent.

If your opponent is just face stomping you, and then walking off, Mic-Dropped. Then you will learn nothing and be bitter.

But friendlier, kinder opponents that let you talk your time, maybe even a few take-backsies, will really help you out. Id say part of Warmachines Hardcore audiences problem is being too brutal and cruel.

Truth dat. At the very least they are suprise bodies to use. At the best I had them destroy the entire enemy support.

So I took a look over your results. Most of your games are ending by Assassination, which is normal for newer players and suggests you are still making mistakes with caster placement.

While there is some diversity in your match ups, you mostly seem to be playing against and losing to Menoth and Legion. Are those the same players? It's entirely possible it will take you 100 or more games before you can start to challenge some opponents. But if you posted your most common Karchev and Old Witch lists maybe we could see some things that could be causing you trouble.

In all honesty both Old Witch and Karchev are some of the more difficult casters to master in the faction. I would probably say Old Witch is THE hardest to be good with.

My first advise is: Drop the Excel sheet!

Even though its well made and looks very nice it's a bit of a trap. It doesn't really matter how often you loose and win.
Like some said before if you loose try to find out why, talk to your opponent. Some of them will just be better than you and thats okay. After all they have a lot of experience on you.

I am fairly new myself (started abou 8 month ago) which sounds like a lot, but you have to think that of that time at least 2 month were spent just learning the basics of the game (going up to 75 points).
After that came learning my army and currently I try to get an broad overview of my opponents (I mean I know what the cards say they do, but I have never seen them on the battlefield).

I still mostly loose to Assasination (btw a good reason why Strakov 2 is nice, because he is relatively safe). If the Assasination is easy I often ask my opponent to roll it and then to continue normaly, so I can learn about my list as well.

But frustration happens. I had that especially after I won my first 2-3 games and suddenly one of my opponents switched to full gear (probably didn't want to be the one loosing to the new) and played Wurmwood into my Old Witch. He went first and Assasinated me in his second turn. And that was my game for the week. That felt really bad. Especially I couldn't even test my list or find out what WW does. After that I alwaysed asked my opponent to just continue playing (except for training games for tournaments etc.).

In addtion OW is a really squishy and hard to play caster.

To sumarize: Don't get frustrated to much. There will come better days. Maybe try new stuff and or new opponents and try to learn from them.

Thank you all for your comments i'm listening to everything.


Yes same 2 players, very helpful guys.  They are using a wide range of lists and casters, so I can't really gear towards one thing with them.

Don't be too down.

Some practical advice.

1. Focus on 1-2 skills to work on in a game. Ask your opponent to look at this skill during the game and get feedback. Don't focus on everything at once.

2. Take game photos after each rounds and go back to look at what you could have done differently.

3. The developing player series on chainattack.com is good. The $20 dojo subscription is woth it. There are lots of old back episodes and some of the MK2 content on skills is just as applicable today. The murder of crows podcast has less content, but some of it is good and mostly entertaining. The recent episode on dice math was quite good.

4. Post a battle report where you lost and can't see what you might have done better. Photos too.

5.  Keep playing Karchev.  He's really good at attrition and not dying.  Post your Karchev list and a batrep.  Lots of folks around here including me play him and can give tips.

Sorry but that is almost never a good advice to tell someone drop X, because its not good. 

In my experience its often the other way around. People who start in "Easymode" with the strongest picks tend to lern less because the gap is closer. But that may be my personal experience talking.