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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 21:47:34 GMT
As a software and webpage designer I would never throw out a clearly broken product, one that is clearly out of scope, or just not what the customer ordered. I also could not build my relationship with the customer or beta testers releasing content and saying "Hey this part of the program is broken. I know it's broken and not what we need. But I want to to spend YOUR time testing it to prove to me all the different ways it is broken" Doing so here is not as clean cut but they are still making some drastic implementations with very little time to do any testing. Eilish is a good example but both parameters (model count and time tested) were much more reasonable. Then as a software and webpage designer, you should know that sometimes you come up with systems that a client doesn't request, but they may enjoy. At least PP is acknowledging that testing is needed by putting it on CiD, as opposed to releasing a printed book that makes the previous generation of models weep at their new weakness, and then declare everything is great and never care about balance like a certain other company does. You also should know that the rarely is the first product given to the customer ever launched as is. It always goes through changes before launch, even if it is just to stomp out bugs. This is little different from WoW's Death Knight, Monk, or Demon Hunter. Powerful when first given to test, then toned down before launch, then toned down over patches later as the shiney wears off. I'm not a developer, but I have been through enough MMORPG betas (and an alpha or two) to know all of that.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 18:53:17 GMT
Most Jacks are less valuable when marshaled. He was talking about just how stupid powerful one Jack was without any consideration to any other factor. And Thor isn't the only Rhulic Jack Marshal, just the most common and effective one. In mk3 land, Thor is the only rhulic marshal at time of writing. Highshields don't have it anymore if they are what you were referring to. I did miss that. I don't run Rhulics (my collection is more focused on the old 4 Star concepts), so I hadn't noticed that change. Still, there is Thor, and CID may see the High Shields get their Marshalling abilities back. If all things being compared lose something as a baseline for an action (in this case marshaling), then for comparison reasons it is no longer relevant. Anything they lose that other don't lose remains relevant. Your argument is all jacks lose something when marshaling (these things are now moot when comparing betweens marshaled things) but I said bunnies lose something on top of that indirectly, namely powerful attack. Ergo, bunnies lose more than baseline and dismissing that extra loss as you do is illogical, I wasn't the one doing a dismissal. The person I responded to was indicating that Gun Bunnies were strong enough on their own without any other consideration. They didn't list any of the combinations you describe. With all of this said, I don't think its actually going to be a big deal, especially if Dwarf0 has 3 focus. With such a small control range, it limits the amount of bunnies you can fit that still benefit from power up. But I definitely could be wrong. I think it wouldn't be as big a problem with 4 Focus, either, so long as the points and spells are right.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 16:00:52 GMT
Right, it's not like people can't take the gun bunnies because there aren't any Rhulic Jack Marshals out there. Oh, wait. While I don't personally disagree with you on your points, I think its important to point out that gun bunnies on Thor lose powerful attack as no focus and stuff like Empower is friendly faction, so while you can take them, they are much less valuable marshaled. Most Jacks are less valuable when marshaled. He was talking about just how stupid powerful one Jack was without any consideration to any other factor. And Thor isn't the only Rhulic Jack Marshal, just the most common and effective one.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
As much as people are complaining that Sev0 and Cain0 are too much like their originals, it could be worse, they could be like Durant1... Just saying.
Play it, provide the battle reports like they expect and demonstrate just how broken it is. It's not like it is that hard.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 14:41:51 GMT
Isn't Crucible Guard a Mercenary "faction" that will have its own theme lists? Much like Dwarves and Cephalix, you can take any 2 Merc armies to a tournament. With that broader picture in mind, no, I don't think that Crucible Guard should be expected to solve every problem out there, as they are merely a piece of the Mercenary faction. I wish it was. They aren't considered part of the Mercs for tournaments any more than a Kingmaker's list is considered Cygnar or a Cephalyx list is considered Cryx.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 14:11:17 GMT
Personally I feel like we'd get Magnus0. I know it wouldn't make much sense as far as lore goes, but from what I can tell, pretty much all the "0" casters have at least three incarnations, tend to be (with some exceptions) battle box casters or iconic casters from their respective factions, and from what I know they tend to have a decent amount of fluff about them. Magnus is the closest thing we have to a third incarnation (we only have two epics, and he's the only one with both versions in mercs), and He's always been a battle box caster, as well as one of the most iconic merc casters as well as one with a lot of fluff and story. Incorrect. Both epic warcasters have their prime iterations in Mercenaries. Only the Legendary has their prime incarnation in another faction. Not my terms, those are the ones used by PP. I don't think a dwarf one is likely. With a dwarf journeyman (unless they made it somehow exclusive to mercs) other factions could start getting access to dwarf jacks, I'm thinking more the gun bunnies. Imagine if you will a cygnar list that now also has a small detachment of bunnies running around? I may be thinking over the top, but I seem to remember talking about a "dwarf journeyman" a while back and it was pretty obvious that part of the reason dwarf jacks were so good, was because only mercs could take them, and only if you brought a dwarf caster, and it was determined that it would be bad otherwise. Right, it's not like people can't take the gun bunnies because there aren't any Rhulic Jack Marshals out there. Oh, wait. That being said, IF it DID happen... I think Ossrum would be a likely candidate. I know he's not as old as Gorten, but his title might make it easier to adjust him to 0 level. Like, Captain Ossrum, or Private Ossrum. And he is a pretty Iconic Dwarf, along with Gorten... so either would be cool. Then again you could even make a case for Durgen, something like "Durgen the Sane" which would represent his time before banishment and all the crazy. Durgen would make more sense then Ossrum, just like Ashlynn and Macbain would make more sense than Damiano. Ossrum is just too new. Ashlyn would be the only other one up for the part otherwise, and only if they somehow released her Epic version first. This would put her relatively in the same spot as Magnus. She's Iconic enough, has enough fluff, and would be tied for closest to a third incarnation. Though what you would call her, I have no idea. Right, because MacBain0 doesn't make any sense, now does it? He isn't iconic at all, nor would immediately allow him to be Crosse2's journeyman in the Llaese Resistance. For the game, Gorten is needed more than Magnus or Shae. There is no Rhulic journeyman warcaster at all. That is a serious miss of an opportunity. However, I do believe Magnus was around before Gorten, story-wise at any rate, so we'll see. Magnus and Gorten were both released in Escalation I'm pretty sure, I bought both battle boxes on the same day way back then. So they could go either way. Not sure how they would do Gorten without him looking utterly pathetic though. Focus3? Gee, look at you go little duder. He could be Focus 3 as a miner, then became Focus 4 when he started the Merc work on the Searforge Commission. Anyway, I stated "story-wise", because I though Magnus had mention in either the lore behind the civil war or Stryker's initial write-up. I wasn't specifying his own warcaster card.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 6:42:17 GMT
And we may see Ashlynn or MacBain, too. The Battlebox Warcasters were not all chosen in this case. But yeah, another partisan: Cygnar model is not necessarily something that is needed floating around if Magnus0 was still allowed in Mercs. nono partisan. magus is like 60. he was a full on cygnar caster when caine was a teen. only went merc after the first civil war That doesn't mean he hadn't developed contacts in the mercenary community before the first civil war. He seemed to survive pretty well and quickly there afterwards. But that was why I stated, "if he was still allowed in Mercs". If he wasn't allowed in Mercs, there would be no reason for the Partisan rule, now would he?
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 5, 2018 2:22:51 GMT
Asphyxious 0 wouldn't even be a caster and would be a circle model. Thinking about it, Denegrha was kind of the only choice. Unlike Skarre, we know she had the gift before becoming a cryxian for a fact. The iron liches are a no because most of their power comes from their transformation. I still want Wrathe2 as a journeyman though. It depends on how far back the 0 is going to go. Skarre is entirely a possibility, simply because there was a time when she was still learning and not a captain. Gaspy is the hard one. He is already a lich as the first, and unless you're going so far back as to when he was first converted, there should be no good way to do it. Who was the next non-lich Warcaster for Cryx?
For Mercs, it can be a real challenge, but I think Gorten would be the best option. Magnus0 would be Cygnaran, as he was already a full-fledged 'Caster when he and Stryker fought (wasn't he?). The Rhulics currently have no journeyman warcasters at all, and that is a hole that should be filled (though, having another journeyman would be nice, too). The only other real hole in Mercs is for Cephalyx, and they need a good battlebox 'caster more than they need a journeyman right now.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 4, 2018 22:31:27 GMT
magnus zero would be a cygnar warcaster and i do not want that And we may see Ashlynn or MacBain, too. The Battlebox Warcasters were not all chosen in this case. But yeah, another partisan: Cygnar model is not necessarily something that is needed floating around if Magnus0 was still allowed in Mercs.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 4, 2018 20:22:51 GMT
For the game, Gorten is needed more than Magnus or Shae. There is no Rhulic journeyman warcaster at all. That is a serious miss of an opportunity.
However, I do believe Magnus was around before Gorten, story-wise at any rate, so we'll see.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 4, 2018 1:14:45 GMT
he has the stats of a batal engine because he that good at not dying So put him on a huge base with a lot of gear, and it won't seem so outrageous, right?
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 4, 2018 0:14:43 GMT
he is not a battle engine caster. he is a high shield forces commander, which are not battle engines. he just a badass He has the stats of a Battle Engine. The Siege Engine is often used to bring High Shields back, so that would be a good place for a HS force commander.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 3, 2018 23:09:32 GMT
Spd 4 too good on this guy with arm 25, should be spd 1, 2 max. His model should be like dwarf version of the hutt skorne 'lock. Or maybe a stone lower body and spd 0 with advanced deployment. That's why i asked for MacKay's stats. Sounds like the OP is suggesting he be a Battle Engine Warcaster sitting on a Crawler. It's got fewer boxes, but better armor, and is as fast as the Siege Crawler. My biggest concern is that outside of Fiona and the Cephalyx, no one in Mercenaries is over Focus 6. Unless he's managing to tap the Crawler's power to amplify his warcaster armor, it doesn't make as much sense.
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 3, 2018 16:28:55 GMT
What are the stats on the Crucible's MacKay?
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Post by Charistoph on Apr 3, 2018 14:48:31 GMT
What is your opinion of the Basic Training guide that comes in the battlegroup boxes?
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