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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 30, 2022 11:17:14 GMT
I said I would run Sorscha2 next time I play at 25 points, so I guess now I need to put together a list for her. I'm going Wolves of Winter because Doomreavers and also Puppet Master to make S2's assassination more reliable (Brittle Frost doesn't hurt either). Here's my list right now: conflictchamber.com/?c3200p_-1S6YkVkW8f8h4i6inf Khador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Sorscha 2] Forward Kommander Sorscha [+28] - Beast 09 [16] - Juggernaut [13] - War Dog [2] Koldun Lord [0(3)] Saxon Orrik [4] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [8] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10]I took Alexia 1 because it's a cheap way to get a lot of bodies and solos. I am currently thinking of running Saxon Orrik instead of a Greylord Escort for pathfinder because it's more versatile. That leaves 2 points, which is enough for mechanics or the Wardog, and the Wardog is better for assassination. I could swap Saxon for the Escort, giving me a point that I can use to upgrade the Wardog, probably to Kell Bailoch. But I might as well take this opportunity to run some of my lesser-used models, right? Another list I'm considering is: conflictchamber.com/?c3200p_-1S6YkVkWhFkR8hnf89 Khador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Sorscha 2] Forward Kommander Sorscha [+28] - Beast 09 [16] - Juggernaut [13] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] - Berserker [8] Koldun Lord [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3]I've been struggling with armour-cracking lately, and enemy ARM buff spells make it worse, so a warjack with Blessed weapons, Crush, 2 focus, and Boundless Charge (or 1 focus and swinging against a Brittle Frosted target) would be nice... if that warjack hit harder than P+S 16 base. But all I could squeeze into the list was a Berserker; even dropping the Koldun Lord to upgrade the jack only gets me a Marauder, who is still only P+S 16 - and that costs me Puppet Master and Brittle Frost, which is not acceptable. So a Berserker it is. Or should I just stick to list #1?
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Post by michael on Jan 30, 2022 18:17:40 GMT
Stick with list #1.
Saxon is critical to that list. Your units have no other way to mitigate rough terrain.
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Post by Havock on Jan 30, 2022 18:37:43 GMT
I used this:
Iron Fangs hit hard enough with her and in 25 points aren't terrible. They are relatively fast, quite speedy and bring pathfinder. Reinholdt gives a poor man's puppet master.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 30, 2022 19:03:34 GMT
I do prefer 2 jacks and 2 units to 3 jacks and 1 unit; at that point you might as well just go all in on 4 jacks right?
I was really hoping to squeeze in a Spriggan instead of the Juggernaut (10" threat feels a bit sad to me these days, and 2" reach is good for making the most of S2's feat), but I just couldn't make 17 points. I could just about make 16, but... sigh. Anyway.
Ugh, I'd forgotten how much of S2's kit seems to designed around making the most of Freezing Grip. Quad-iron to gun down stationary infantry, Cyclone to scythe down a swath before you move back or charge what was behind them... poor, poor S2.
I wonder if there's any way to deliberately leverage Freezer? Maybe leave her in charge range of some infantry, with plenty of focus and the Wardog nearby? I'll try to keep an eye out for the chance to actually freeze stuff with Sorscha.
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Post by Havock on Jan 30, 2022 20:30:10 GMT
You could drop to min likes and take Elims. Probably better and more flexible.
At this point level she's just a feat on legs. Either you feat-assassinate a caster or you feat on their army/battlegroup and it dies.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 31, 2022 3:20:48 GMT
You could drop to min likes and take Elims. Probably better and more flexible. Do you mean "pikes"? I'm running Wolves of Winter, like I said. At this point level she's just a feat on legs. Either you feat-assassinate a caster or you feat on their army/battlegroup and it dies. Which is part of my problem with her. I don't really see it getting better at higher points levels either.
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Post by Havock on Jan 31, 2022 9:04:52 GMT
Ah right I was suggesting pikes because IFP's are, for what they are worth, a fairly fast, reasonably hard hittting and self-sufficient package (relentless charge). ANd S2 doesn't get better at higher points, it's just that at low points her failings are not really as pronounced
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 31, 2022 10:41:48 GMT
Lol. Well, her feat can certainly be fun anyway. We'll see how it goes when I get to play, which will hopefully be this coming weekend.
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Post by leotherat on Jan 31, 2022 12:51:49 GMT
How about something like this? conflictchamber.com/?c3200p_-1S6YkVkWnj2T8hnf89nnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Sorscha 2] Forward Kommander Sorscha [+28] - Beast 09 [16] - Juggernaut [13] - Greylord Adjunct [3] Alten Ashley [5] Koldun Lord [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Greylord Ternion [0(5)] The adjunct is there to let Sorscha keep 6 focus and Iron Flesh at the same time. The escort gives the unit pathfinder as needed. The Ternions are there for 2 reasons. 1) To replenish Reavers as needed and, 2) To make things easier to hit (not necessarily stationary). Alten is there because his gun is POW 12 and has grevious wounds. The former is pretty hefty for a ranged weapon and the later is just good in general. He also gives you a small ranged effect.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 31, 2022 13:26:22 GMT
How about something like this? conflictchamber.com/?c3200p_-1S6YkVkWnj2T8hnf89nnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Sorscha 2] Forward Kommander Sorscha [+28] - Beast 09 [16] - Juggernaut [13] - Greylord Adjunct [3] Alten Ashley [5] Koldun Lord [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Greylord Ternion [0(5)] The adjunct is there to let Sorscha keep 6 focus and Iron Flesh at the same time. The escort gives the unit pathfinder as needed. The Ternions are there for 2 reasons. 1) To replenish Reavers as needed and, 2) To make things easier to hit (not necessarily stationary). Alten is there because his gun is POW 12 and has grevious wounds. The former is pretty hefty for a ranged weapon and the later is just good in general. He also gives you a small ranged effect. Six infantry models and two warjacks? Feels a bit like support bloat; Koldun Lord, Adjunct, Escort, and Ternion is six support models, or rather 9 points when you only really have 6 models or 10 points of working infantry. S2 doesn't really need to hoard her focus as she has rather little to do with it, so I don't think she needs both the Koldun Lord AND the Adjunct. Besides, who takes Iron Flesh? Sorscha herself? I think she can live without it, so the Escort is unneeded. I'd take Kell Bailoch over Alten Ashley right now; he does similar work for much cheaper. I would like to run Ternion with Doomreavers, but with only 1 unit I wouldn't take them over Alexia1 or a second unit of Doomreavers. But something like this doesn't look bad to me: conflictchamber.com/?c3200p_-1S6YkVkW8h6inf89nn Khador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Sorscha 2] Forward Kommander Sorscha [+28] - Beast 09 [16] - Juggernaut [13] Koldun Lord [3] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [8] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Greylord Ternion [0(5)]I don't have Ternion right now, perhaps I should proxy? I'm not sure I want to lose the wardog though, for the assassination.
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Post by Havock on Jan 31, 2022 17:35:01 GMT
I don't think you will have to worry too much about freestrikes at this point level; either it's weenie stuff you can risk or you just kill it before you go. Don't forget, it's okay to take a bit/lotof damage if you go all in; you're going to die on a failed assassination attempt anyway, whether you are at 5 or 15 health.
I personally found Reinholdt to be near-indispensible: She's MAT7, which isn't quite stellar; that reroll on that boosted first attack helps not only with hitting but with proccing crit freeze as well.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 31, 2022 18:20:38 GMT
Fair enough on the dog. I was bringing the Koldun lord for Puppet Master; can you reroll the same attack twice if you have both it and lucky Charm?
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Post by leotherat on Jan 31, 2022 19:45:25 GMT
It depends on the wording of the ability granting the reroll. Check the wording under Beloved of Thamar (Thamarite Archon) it specifically states that Beloved can only be used on a roll once per attempt. Puppet Master doesn't have any wording that excludes rerolls from other sources so you should feel free to roll again if you have another reroll coming.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 31, 2022 20:26:52 GMT
Interesting, Reinholdt is suddenly a lot more appealing...
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Post by igor on Feb 1, 2022 11:39:32 GMT
You are dead set on Wolves of Winter? I think she could work marvels in Winter Guard Kommand at 25 points.
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