olaf
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Post by olaf on Jan 6, 2021 20:13:04 GMT
The logic went as followed:
I have a Victor I bough after my flgs had a sale. Strak2 can give it +2 spd and also buff its arm. Other units that would like +2 spd and +2 arm would include uhlans. The empress has declared we are only allowed to run uhlans with other iron fangs. And here we are:
Strakhov and buddies +22 Adjunct - req 0 Victor - 34 - 12 Rager 10 - 22
Iron Fang Kovnik - Req 0 - 22 Black Dragons Full 17 - 39 + Officer and SB - Reg 0 - 39 Iron Fang Uhlans Max 20 - 59
Steelhead Riflemen 13 - 72
Min Mechanics - 3 -75
I don't own steelhead riflemen. I figured I'd proxy them with rifle corps. I just need some shooting. Any shooting. Anything that isn't a rat 4, rat 1 warjack. I'd take rifle corps if I could. The kovnik actually has counter synergy on feat turn. Strakhov feat gives though and feign death (and +3 arm), kovnik provides steady. I just have nothing else to spend the requisition on.
The uhlans also have steady, but if that matters on the feat turn I have other problems.
I just want to cycle quicken to charge in with spd 8 iron fangs and spd 10 uhlans. Oh and later in the game throw a last stand on the rager, fully load it with focus and charge it into something big.
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Post by steeltitan on Jan 6, 2021 21:05:22 GMT
I bought all the pikemen
I painted all the pikemen
I played with all the pikemen
I played with all the pikemen again
I put all the pikemen on the shelf
The pikemen look pretty
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Once upon a time I thought Strakhov2 could save LOS
I bought Strakhov2
I painted Strakhov2
I think you know how this story ends...
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jan 6, 2021 21:15:55 GMT
If you want shooting in Legos use Harlowe. He also has the benefit of stripping incorp, which can be a real problem for the theme.
I dont recommend buying steelhead riflemen
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Post by michael on Jan 6, 2021 22:49:17 GMT
You should use Victor!
...just not in Legion of Steel.
The theme has basically all the weaknesses: costly models, no ranged presence, almost 100% single wound infantry, low volume of attacks, little to no ability to spread out / terrain mitigation...
It’s...not optimal.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 7, 2021 3:17:32 GMT
I feel like, if you want to run Victor, maybe deliberately picking other models that are going to be fighting for the same buffs you've already reserved for Victor might not be the best listbuilding strategy? I dunno really, but I would probably try build the rest of the list to try to take advantage of the rest of Strak2's kit.
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olaf
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Post by olaf on Jan 7, 2021 8:58:57 GMT
I feel like, if you want to run Victor, maybe deliberately picking other models that are going to be fighting for the same buffs you've already reserved for Victor might not be the best listbuilding strategy? I dunno really, but I would probably try build the rest of the list to try to take advantage of the rest of Strak2's kit. I figure by the time I'd want to put buffs on Victor everything else would already be dead. But yeah there's probably a better list for Victor. Also man that Harlowe is powerful. Anyway I was thinking what would be nice for Strakhov2. On paper he looks like a really nice caster, except when I think about it he doesn't really have any way to boost accuracy and damage outside of last stand and last stand seem like pure jank. I'd still say he wants something like Uhlans, not so much for last stand as for quicken. It's a real shame they're locked into LOS they're some of our best units.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 7, 2021 16:51:17 GMT
Maybe it's worth running out of theme?
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Post by steeltitan on Jan 7, 2021 19:20:50 GMT
I'm not sure they are one of our best units, I find they die fairly quickly in today's day and age. And once they are stuck in they suuuuuuuuck.
If you really want to run Victor, maybe look at WGK or Jaws? I think that's still better than running out of theme. I dont think Uhlans are worth going out of theme for.
Also, I'd always recommend Alexia2 as your merc slot, especially if you're running a bunch of single wound dudes. She's so amazing at scenario play...and the theme doesn't have many disposable models to contest far-away scenario elements with.
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olaf
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Post by olaf on Jan 7, 2021 19:56:18 GMT
I don't think it's worth running anything out of theme. The 12-18 point loss is to big.
Alexia2 looks interesting, but in LoS I think it has to rely on mercs to fill out ranged presence. Harlowe, while a single solo at least outputs 4 shots. Probably not enough, but not really more than the steelheads would, since they'd want to combine all the time. I though about taking Behemoth, but that's not available either.
Uhlans definitely need to get the charge, and they usually want some buffs to maximize that charge. I dunno, maybe I'm biased, I've blown up a bunch of heavies with them, before the themes. It was so much fun.
There was a cool B3 list in one of the other threads with Victor and dual Gun Carriages, that looked pretty hilarious.
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Post by steeltitan on Jan 8, 2021 5:42:00 GMT
Yeah i love the look of that list too XD In my few games with LoS, I ran double Destroyers. I dont like Destroyers generally but I found they work ok for what the rest of the list lacks. Giving up Alexia2 for a few shots isnt worth it imo. The list doesnt have many scoring solos, typically 2 kovniks and Sofia and they need to be close enough to your other models to provide their important buffs. You also cant afford running them up to contest for a turn so your scenario play isnt great. She fixes that... ...but considering this whole thing started with you wanting to run Victor, I guess double Destroyers isnt the route you want to take...but then you have Victor...so thats your ranged presence sorted already On another note, Id also swap out the BDs for regular IFP+UA. You save 2 points and with the Kovnik you already have precision strike, which is the important part and relentless charge is really important to make the most out of your charges. The 5" repo is situationally great. IMO, the ARM stacking with Iron Zeal and the other options is a trap. POW in the game is too high to not have them die anyway.
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olaf
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Post by olaf on Jan 8, 2021 18:05:11 GMT
I really like Destroyers, I think they were a pretty underappreciated warjack for a long time. Run four of them in a sorcha1 list.
I think you are absolutely right about Relentless Charge. And yeah, arm is redundant on single wound models. I guess I could get a conquest for that if I wanted to.
Let me think...
Ok, new list!
Strak2 Adjunct(req) Victor Destroyer
Alexia on a horse Iron Fang Kovnik Capitan Sofya (req)
Pikemen Max + officer(req) Uhlans Max Mechanics Min
Shooting - Victor+Destroyer+Strak+Alexia Melee - most of the list Plan, everything else dies, the enemy becomes overconfident, places his warcaster too close, strak2 activates, puts last stand up on himself, charges in, wins. Lights one of the cigars Rorsh gave him before the turn end and last stand kills him.
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Post by Havock on Jan 8, 2021 18:18:53 GMT
Wanna run Victor?
Run Irusk2 in Jaws and tack on the Kayazy and Widowmakers including solos. It's not perfect but the list can be annoying if you pair it nicely.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 9, 2021 9:02:11 GMT
How about Andy2? Victor is probably the best Open Fire target. He has Escort for the speed buff too. Sure, Victor doesn't benefit from the feat, but still.
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Post by Havock on Jan 9, 2021 11:28:40 GMT
Andy2 really likes his a more maneuvrable battlegroup I think. But he's all over the place and I don't really know what to build with him in Khador; he likes a combined arms approach but likes quality infantry as well. AC is a decent place for him but it's a bad place for Victor, and he can't really keep, say, Kayazy in Jaws alive.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jan 9, 2021 13:04:05 GMT
You should use Victor! ...just not in Legion of Steel. The theme has basically all the weaknesses: costly models, no ranged presence, almost 100% single wound infantry, low volume of attacks, little to no ability to spread out / terrain mitigation... It’s... not optimal. I thought Sons of the Tempest was the worst theme force available in the game... until I have seen the detail of Legion of Steel.
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