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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 7:11:06 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 25, 2020 7:11:06 GMT
I've been playing with two war hogs, but that's just giving the meat thresher it's trials. I'll remove it from now to have 3 War hogs.
I've had 5 games with her now. -Shes pretty good on scenario of you have terrain to your advantage. She can threaten and scoot around a whole zone, clearing contesting models. Even though she's maybe not doing so well on attrition, she still tends to keep up in scenario. -The soul slave for just escort is a pain. 5 points is a lot when she doesn't have a spell for it to cast. Even when it has cast a spell, it was bone shaker 😂 -Primed is basically a dead spell. I used it in the first game, and the other 4 it didn't come up. The last game I had bone grinders, Valkyries and Void Archons but didn't bother. -She is screaming for a basic gun, even a pistol. It's a pity they can't fix this now the model is sculpted. -Her feat only affects her. Everything else doesn't move far enough to matter. I often have issues with forcing when she needs to run, too. -Surprisingly, she's kinda dull. She just provides escort and wild ride to her beasts and otherwise just stabs one medium target and scoots around. -Brain damage is a completely dead ability (the worst weapon effect I can think of). Exhaust fumes usually will be too, it hasn't come up yet. -She feels forced to cast engine whenever she does anything. I consider this part of her design but she really is a fury 3-5 warlock functionally.
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 9:21:42 GMT
Post by custardboy on Jan 25, 2020 9:21:42 GMT
Ok, so while typing up a draft email, I 'accidentally' invented a new spell to replace Primed. You know Prospero's Instability Equation? Something similar to that.... Give the warbeast a damage buff and Hordes version of Unstable.
Cost 3, Rng 6. Target Friendly Faction Warbeast may remove any number of Fury points, face any direction, and gains +2 to attack and damage rolls. If the Warbeast is forced, roll a D6 at the end of its activation. If this number is equal to or less than the Fury points on the Warbeast, the Warbeast explodes and other models within 3” suffer an unboostable Pow 14 blast damage roll. Then remove the Warbeast from play.
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Post by Azahul on Jan 25, 2020 10:07:57 GMT
I think our heavies are rather too expensive to throw away like that. Especially on a Warlock whose game plan is preserving her forces after the initial hit.
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shmeep
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 10:44:23 GMT
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Post by shmeep on Jan 25, 2020 10:44:23 GMT
Ok, so while typing up a draft email, I 'accidentally' invented a new spell to replace Primed. You know Prospero's Instability Equation? Something similar to that.... Give the warbeast a damage buff and Hordes version of Unstable. Cost 3, Rng 6. Target Friendly Faction Warbeast may remove any number of Fury points, face any direction, and gains +2 to attack and damage rolls. If the Warbeast is forced, roll a D6 at the end of its activation. If this number is equal to or less than the Fury points on the Warbeast, the Warbeast explodes and other models within 3” suffer an unboostable Pow 14 blast damage roll. Then remove the Warbeast from play. I think I mentioned that idea earlier? I think Azahul's right, it seems a tad expensive to use on lights (plus p11 on battle boar...) and there's no throwaway heavies. I still think giving her a battkegroup version of primed would be cool.
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 11:30:22 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 25, 2020 11:30:22 GMT
I thought you guys would be in favour. Primed has been a dead spell for me, thematic as it is and the idea of unstable hogs seem hilarious. Just a couple of points. -Our hogs are actually rather cheap by general standards. -Isn't hit and run with primal a bit annoying? I haven't had any of my beasts survive after going in with primal anyway. -Farrow lights are atrocious in combat, nothing ever makes them good, so isn't really relevant. -The spell removes fury. Cast it after a beasts activation when Helga has nothing to do, and it clears it's fury. -The soul slave can cast it, giving it a job. Even if you just look at it as clearing fury. -You don't HAVE to use it. It's just there when you need it, which will often happen. -Its thematic and funny. -You roll to explode after Reposition.
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shmeep
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 11:49:55 GMT
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Post by shmeep on Jan 25, 2020 11:49:55 GMT
I thought you guys would be in favour. Primed has been a dead spell for me, thematic as it is and the idea of unstable hogs seem hilarious. Just a couple of points. -Our hogs are actually rather cheap by general standards. -Isn't hit and run with primal a bit annoying? I haven't had any of my beasts survive after going in with primal anyway. -Farrow lights are atrocious in combat, nothing ever makes them good, so isn't really relevant. -The spell removes fury. Cast it after a beasts activation when Helga has nothing to do, and it clears it's fury. -The soul slave can cast it, giving it a job. Even if you just look at it as clearing fury. -You don't HAVE to use it. It's just there when you need it, which will often happen. -Its thematic and funny. -You roll to explode after Reposition. You're underestimating how powerful this spell would be. If she casts it twice and the slave casts it once, you can run a total of 18 fury with zero risk of frenzies. That's enough to make MK2 Everblight's mouth water.
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 13:21:09 GMT
Post by charlzheimer on Jan 25, 2020 13:21:09 GMT
Again. +1 spd free engine of destruction on feat usage IS all i would want...EVER.
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vomath
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 15:07:04 GMT
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Post by vomath on Jan 25, 2020 15:07:04 GMT
Again. +1 spd free engine of destruction on feat usage IS all i would want...EVER. Why is that enough? Her combat output is still pretty low without shoring it up with a lot of support. If she still has trouble reliably making kills outside of Feat turn why is +1 SPD so crucial?
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 15:36:38 GMT
Post by charlzheimer on Jan 25, 2020 15:36:38 GMT
Again. +1 spd free engine of destruction on feat usage IS all i would want...EVER. Why is that enough? Her combat output is still pretty low without shoring it up with a lot of support. If she still has trouble reliably making kills outside of Feat turn why is +1 SPD so crucial? increases the chance you can charge in with impact attacks. increases her attack and retreat range. she can move 8, treath on 10" kill a model. retreat 8 inch. this should put her safe again. making her a HIT and run model free EoD on feat makes assasination MORE viable as you would have 6 fury rather then 4 and promotes a more planned feat turn rather then "shit...no sprint...i geuss i'll just feat" edit: the FREE cast of a spell on feat changes the entire think and tactic process of said FEAT changing your play tactics and potential "enjoyment" of the character. it makes the feat FEEL powerfull even if it isn't.
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Helga2
Jan 25, 2020 16:44:12 GMT
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Post by vomath on Jan 25, 2020 16:44:12 GMT
Well, if your plan is to move up to kill something, you're probably still casting EoD, which makes her Normal Advance 10" and her walking threat on her chain 12“ (after a +1 SPD bump, that is). I mean, a buff's a buff, and I think +1 SPD is one of the things I would want for her, but I also wish she had more combat potential to make the risk of sending her in when she needs to Sprint out more rewarding.
I think I'd be perfectly happy with +1 SPD, +1 POW, and adding Flashing Blade back in. It's probably not super strong, still, but Flashing Blade would let her look for spots where she can kill a model to trigger Sprint and also put in some work on some other models. It'd be very easy to add a line to the end of the Feat to make the model's activation end immediately after the Feat movement, if that remains a concern.
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Helga2
Jan 27, 2020 4:42:23 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 27, 2020 4:42:23 GMT
Yeah, returning Flashing Blade and changing the Feat is my preferred method of fixing her, but I think there are still a few other routes she could easily go It still leaves her without much to offer Meat Threshers and too dependent on WWFF's armour debuffs.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 18:39:59 GMT
Post by ghoulio on Feb 5, 2020 18:39:59 GMT
Helga 2 saw 3 small changes:
1) Casts Engine of Destruction for free on feat turn 2) Pow of Bat goes up to 13 3) She gained Rapport (gives target beast her current MAT/RAT and doubles its control range)
Thoughts? Is it enough? My main issue is she kept Primed instead of another damage buff her beasts can actually use.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 18:44:26 GMT
Post by ghoulio on Feb 5, 2020 18:44:26 GMT
Helga 2 saw 3 small changes: 1) Casts Engine of Destruction for free on feat turn 2) Pow of Bat goes up to 13 3) She gained Rapport (gives target beast her current MAT/RAT and doubles its control range) Thoughts? Is it enough? My main issue is she kept Primed instead of another damage buff her beasts can actually use. Wait, scratch that. Hungerford said they increased her bat pow by 1, but on the card they showed it said the pow of the bat is 14.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 18:52:47 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Feb 5, 2020 18:52:47 GMT
Helga 2 saw 3 small changes: 1) Casts Engine of Destruction for free on feat turn 2) Pow of Bat goes up to 13 3) She gained Rapport (gives target beast her current MAT/RAT and doubles its control range) Thoughts? Is it enough? My main issue is she kept Primed instead of another damage buff her beasts can actually use. Wait, scratch that. Hungerford said they increased her bat pow by 1, but on the card they showed it said the pow of the bat is 14. It is she got +1 str and +1 on the bat so Bat is ps 14 Chain is ps 11 And I guess yeah it is better. Enough is hard to say since she’s at a good spot that she’ll see some play possibly, but not be top tier or dominate. Still wish she’d get flashing blade back but at least now she can kill archons or a heavy and help out in combat and still sprint away so it’s a new and interesting style to try out for farrow
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shmeep
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 19:22:37 GMT
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Post by shmeep on Feb 5, 2020 19:22:37 GMT
Helgxis2? Interesting. Whats her RAT now?
Also agree primed still seems like trash on her right now.
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