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Post by sand20go on Sept 3, 2019 15:51:46 GMT
So I am going to express something of an unpopular opinion (but also acknowledge that PP's business model is encouraging it).
There is something that isn't really in the spirit of things for people to be slapping a random left over scroll case (or buying it off ebay/bits store) and a random grunt and calling it a hermit. I GET that some of this is that we are talking about a great solo who costs $60....but still. And one wonders why stop there. Given current bits (see multi-kit jacks bits) I could pretty easily slap together a couple of menoth archons. I have left over Nyss parts - lets put one on a big base, a flying stand, random wings from some other kit and call it a void Archon.
Unpopular but I am going to go with that for a conversion to be TO legal it needs to at least include SOME parts from the original model. Otherwise you are gonig to see over time a lot of "European Black Industry" things that don't really put much (any?) $$ into PP's pockets for a game that they are trying to support.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Sept 3, 2019 16:07:47 GMT
Unpopular but I am going to go with that for a conversion to be TO legal it needs to at least include SOME parts from the original model. By their own rules, it only needs to be 50% PP parts and properly represent what the model is. It doesn't need a single part from the actual model. However, if you TO, you can make the call on if it properly represents the model that it should be.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Sept 3, 2019 16:10:00 GMT
The hermit costs 60 dollars......?
I hope nobody buys it.
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Post by elladan52 on Sept 3, 2019 16:11:19 GMT
The hermit costs 60 dollars......? I hope nobody buys it. Yeah he costs $60 but you get a free rules digest and oblivion campaign kit, so.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Sept 3, 2019 16:25:14 GMT
I understand and agree with you, but I'm not surprised.
WTC is around the corner and Hermit is possibly the most broken/useful solo since Eiryss2 in mk2.
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Post by michael on Sept 3, 2019 16:51:59 GMT
Sand, buddy, you have too much time on your hands.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Sept 3, 2019 16:57:44 GMT
The hermit costs 60 dollars......? I hope nobody buys it. Yeah he costs $60 but you get a free rules digest and oblivion campaign kit, so. Aha ok, important detail 😂
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cain
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Post by cain on Sept 3, 2019 17:34:10 GMT
I see no problem with converting the hermit.
But my opinion may be clouded from also playing other games with lots of proxing and conversition, like 40k and infinity. And from being in europe. Hermit conversions are everywhere here. Like conversions for most BAHI models, made of GW stuff. How about a Trident made of an eldar wave serpent ? Or Khador stuff made from imperial guards tanks.
Im gonna make an unpopular claim myself. With more painting, conversion and proxies in warmahordes, there would be more causual players and more players overall.
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Post by michael on Sept 3, 2019 19:05:32 GMT
I see no problem with converting the hermit. But my opinion may be clouded from also playing other games with lots of proxing and conversition, like 40k and infinity. And from being in europe. Hermit conversions are everywhere here. Like conversions for most BAHI models, made of GW stuff. How about a Trident made of an eldar wave serpent ? Or Khador stuff made from imperial guards tanks. Im gonna make an unpopular claim myself. With more painting, conversion and proxies in warmahordes, there would be more causual players and more players overall. Probably not...? In my experience, the overwhelming majority of players just buy the models. A few — and I mean like four guys, total — weirdos spend 50 hours (and probably 150% or more of a model’s MSRP) on converting stuff just to “save” some money on a model. The people who sporadically wander into game stores and loudly lament the costs of various miniatures games aren't really interested in playing the games. Demo to them all you want, listen to their half-hearted agreements that “Oh yeah the game was lots of fun!”, try to convince them all you want, but it is pointless. They’re never going to buy whatever it is. They are not the target audience for the game; they’re just interested in making their opinions known. (But watch how money is no obstacle when it comes to obtaining that rare OOP mint condition 1984 Battletech mini that they absolutely need for the original rules version Battletech campaign they are totally going to run one of these days with the guy’s two other friends in his dark basement that smells like cat pee.) The intersection of “people who genuinely want to play a miniatures game” and “legitimately can’t afford to do it, like at all” is pretty small. And before some yahoo crows about how unfair my opinion is, I’m not making value judgements here, I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be great if everything was free and wholly accessible to everyone at all times, but I am acknowledging that we don’t yet live in a post-scarcity economy and the target demographic for Warmachine and Hordes is “people with disposable income”, regardless of whether or not you like that idea.
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Post by squighopper on Sept 4, 2019 9:54:04 GMT
I like conversions and I also like to do them myself. When I dislike the original models, I usually convert them. My jacks all have minor conversions, my battle engines are heavily converted and also some of my infantry units are converted. All are conversions using the original models as a base.
The hermit was the first model I converted using ANOTHER PP model. I strongly disliked PP's approach with the Oblivion box and no way I would buy a 60$ box just for a single miniature.
Btw, the hermit conversion is a legal conversion by the PP rules.
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Post by Charistoph on Sept 4, 2019 14:43:55 GMT
I found a conversion opportunity for Nihilators: They might be a little too damp, though.
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Post by Cyel on Sept 4, 2019 18:36:38 GMT
I have a lot of alt models for my WM&H, mostly plastics from GW as they are (almost two times) cheaper, easier to obtain, much nicer and easier to build. It's easy to spot the difference between labour of love and effort with a conversion and a rude powergamer's proxy.I appreciate an original, one of a kind idea for a conversion/alternate model a lot more than just another, boring stock model. Our game is a creative hobby after all.
(As for AoS sea elves I want to use ones with bows as a replacement for the Nyss Hunters. The originals are atrocious (those faces !!! OO )and cost a lot more, easy choice )
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Post by bacon on Sept 4, 2019 19:32:25 GMT
As for AoS sea elves I want to use ones with bows as a replacement for the Nyss Hunters. The originals are atrocious (those faces !!! OO )and cost a lot more, easy choice ) Another option a local did was replace the heads of the nyss archers with dark eldar scourge heads and it looks awesome.
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Post by squighopper on Sept 5, 2019 0:47:11 GMT
As for AoS sea elves I want to use ones with bows as a replacement for the Nyss Hunters. The originals are atrocious (those faces !!! OO )and cost a lot more, easy choice ) Another option a local did was replace the heads of the nyss archers with dark eldar scourge heads and it looks awesome. Used wood elves' parts on mine and I think they ended up great. From one of the ugliest units to one of my favorites.
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Post by juckto on Sept 5, 2019 4:13:30 GMT
Obviously what we need is a blanket rule that applies to every scratch built model, because there is absolutely no difference between any of them. /sarcasm
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