|
Post by gobber on Apr 17, 2019 18:20:12 GMT
Zerkova is a Thamarite now. Allowed in the Flame in the Darkness Morrowan+Thamarite theme which is a Khador theme when run with her. Mostly merc jacks, can bring two noncharacter Khador or Cygnar jacks. More details to come, but her nicking the likes of Hurricanes from the swans makes me smile • Non-character Mercenary warjacks • Up to two non-character Cygnar or Khador warjacks • Gallant • Alexia models/units • Morrowan models/units • Thamarite models/units • Field Mechanik units • Hermit of Henge Hold Special Rules • All models in an army made using this theme force are considered to be of the same Faction as the warcaster in this army. • For every full 20 points of units and solos in this army, you can one command attachment, three Morrowan Battle Priest weapon attachments, or one small or medium-based solo to the army free of cost. Free models do not count toward the total point value of solos or units in the army when calculating this bonus. • Units in this army gain Vengeance. (During your Maintenance Phase, if one or more models in a unit with Vengeance were damaged by enemy attacks during the last round, each model in the unit can advance 3˝ and make one basic melee attack.)
|
|
Ganso
Junior Strategist
Posts: 932
|
Post by Ganso on Apr 17, 2019 19:16:49 GMT
I wonder if the Sacrificial Lamb trick is worth it with Merc jacks now? I love how Field Mechaniks are in the Theme now, Lady Z needs her Sacrificial Lamb bodies
|
|
|
Post by hocestbellum on Apr 17, 2019 19:48:09 GMT
Cool, Zerkova can finally take Arc Nodes!
|
|
|
Post by sand20go on Apr 17, 2019 20:07:37 GMT
Cool, Zerkova can finally take Arc Nodes! I am trying to figure out if it is game breaking and I don't think so. I can't come up with something that is totally stupid.
|
|
|
Post by hocestbellum on Apr 17, 2019 21:05:48 GMT
Eh, well, those Frost Hammers with free rerolls from the Thamarite Archon could be tasty
|
|
|
Post by Havock on Apr 17, 2019 21:14:22 GMT
Cool, Zerkova can finally take Arc Nodes! She can take the biggest arcnode in the game.
|
|
|
Post by gobber on Apr 17, 2019 21:38:03 GMT
Fun little combo: Jakes1+Gallant under Zerkova2. On feat turn, jakes casts energizer, feat lets jakes energizer again, then gallant goes in with 14" threat range; Gallant also gets def15+free accumulator (and has non-bonded shield guard now).
|
|
|
Post by Havock on Apr 17, 2019 22:12:53 GMT
Energizer can only be cast once per turn if I remember correctly.
Still, Z1 can deliver the pretty neat Morrowan stuff.
|
|
|
Post by gobber on Apr 17, 2019 22:22:58 GMT
Energizer can only be cast once per turn if I remember correctly. Still, Z1 can deliver the pretty neat Morrowan stuff. Once per activation, which Zerkova's feat bypasses. Yeah, though I am worried about the morrowan battle priest giving true sight to *every* cygnar unit wrecking her shtick. Hungerford thinks that's not going to last though. Lots of great new watcher targets for Z1 though, particularly the colossals: Hurricane has slam guns, blockader has sprays and slam fists, Galleon can harpoon, etc
|
|
|
Post by auraco on Apr 18, 2019 2:47:19 GMT
I don’t see Zerkova2 working in that theme, not enough magic attack on the models in the theme. Zerkova1 though is a very interesting option. The reroll from the thamarite archon compensate for the lack of caster attachement in the list. Legions of lost souls do like zerkova’s defensive tech and the list has a lot of caster independant self buff with vet leader, divine inspiration, alexia3’s str buff. There is clearly something to do with that.
|
|
|
Post by Havock on Apr 18, 2019 3:06:40 GMT
You can play it like a more balanced Legion of Steel under her. Sans cavalry.
|
|
|
Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 18, 2019 4:44:26 GMT
Wait, we can finally takes Morrowans in Khador? I've wanted this for ages! Damn, I'm excited now! Hmm, I've been sitting on some ideas for painting Gallant for a while, plus I have that box of Precursors that I picked up a while back and never put together...
|
|
|
Post by auraco on Apr 18, 2019 13:24:17 GMT
You can play it like a more balanced Legion of Steel under her. Sans cavalry. Yeah Flame in the Darkness is pretty much a strait up upgrade to legion of steel for her at the moment I think. Only questions is: Is flame in the darkness better than Wolves to run Zerkova1. I'm at least curious about trying it, as far as attrition goes you could probably build a pretty decent attrition list with Zerkova1 in flames in the darkness, with the clouds and the recursion of the lost souls.
|
|
|
Post by Havock on Apr 18, 2019 15:51:11 GMT
You can play it like a more balanced Legion of Steel under her. Sans cavalry. Yeah Flame in the Darkness is pretty much a strait up upgrade to legion of steel for her at the moment I think. Only questions is: Is flame in the darkness better than Wolves to run Zerkova1. I'm at least curious about trying it, as far as attrition goes you could probably build a pretty decent attrition list with Zerkova1 in flames in the darkness, with the clouds and the recursion of the lost souls. It's just different from Wolves. Less facebreaking and mode attrition/scenario play.
|
|
|
Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 24, 2019 11:26:39 GMT
I’m trying to figure out if a Thamarite oriented army is really viable (by viable, I mean competitive at a large steamroller tournament) with Zerkova and a Thamarite focused army. Also, I’m not particularly interested in investing heavily in a ton of Morrowan models I can’t use elsewhere.
My goal in list building is:
(1) Use Zerkova. (2) Take as much advantage as possible of the Thamarite Archon synergy.
This is the best I’ve come up with in terms of a list.
Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Flame in the Darkness
[Zerkova 1] Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Galleon [35] - Lancer [10] Alexia, The Undying [5] Glyn Cormier, Illuminated One [0(6)] Hermit of Henge Hold [4] Ragman [4] Savio Montero Acosta [0(6)] Thamarite Advocate [3] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] The Devil's Shadow Mutineers [8]
List logic:
- I started with Zerkova and double Thamarite Archons. If Thamarite Archons are to be viable anywhere, they’d better be rock stars with Lady Z. And, well, they do. - Lancer for Arc Node. Lady Z wants one and I don’t own a Hurricane. I DO own a Galleon and think that’s a better Watcher target anyway, and I need ARM cracking. - All the Thamarite solos were then added, because...well...they have synergy with the Archons. Ragman helps with ARM cracking in a list that needs the help. - Alexia and the Legion of Lost Souls were added next because, well, undead stuff. - The Devil’s Shadow Mutineers are a great unit to start, and their being the ONLY Thamarite unit in the game make them an auto include. - With 5 points left, I reach for Glyn to get stuff 1” closer to the Galleon.
In building this list: - I love the archons. More clouds with Zerkova’s clouds is great. - I’m irritated that some other models aren’t Thamarites. Especially Greylords. If you want to invest in double Archons, and do a Thamarite build instead of a Morrowan build (which, well, as a Khador player I do...so sue me) I want more Thamarite options. The Morrowan builds have synergies that stack on synergies, but this build only has ONLY ONE unit that qualifies as Thamarite. Did I miss something? Would it be OP to give Greylords the Thamarite tag. - Zerkova 2 is a USELESS in this theme right now. Dropping in Greylords would give her an actual alternative to Wolves. - I feel locked into Alexia the Undying. Shouldn’t the Alexias all be Thamarites? (I don’t know Alexia’s fluff). That would make Alexia 1 a really interesting option.
I think this theme becomes viable for Khador players if Greylords were included, which would allow several new solo and unit options. I haven’t thought through whether the addition of the Koldun Lord into Morrowan themes makes them unbalanced (that’s possible).
|
|